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Re: Excise Tax (Mark Anderson)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 00:58:04 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Mark Anderson <<a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Litigation and Statute of Frauds<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:SN1PR12MB2381596CACD05A3AB69544F3C8639@SN1PR12MB2381.namprd12.prod.outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SN1PR12MB2381596CACD05A3AB69544F3C8639@SN1PR12MB2381.namprd12.prod.outlook.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I thought it was the alternate spelling of ?pfft? and with an accent to boot.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Mark B. Anderson<br></div><div dir="ltr">ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">821 Dock St Ste 209 PMB 4-12<br></div><div dir="ltr">Tacoma, Washington 98402<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1750<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1751 (fax)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a><mailto:marka@mbaesq.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">www.mbaesq.com<<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<br></div><div dir="ltr">This transmission is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual named recipient. It may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, work product doctrine, or other confidentiality protection. 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Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: 04/19/2023 9:38 AM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Litigation and Statute of Frauds<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You?re more likely to catch me in a pronunciation error. I read too much so I know a lot of words, but too often I discover the hard way that I don?t know how to pronounce them. I still remember the feeling when I was a kid of pronouncing ?legion? like ?le-JY-un? in front of my older brother....who showed no mercy. :-)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sincerely,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric C. Nelsen<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">1417 31st Ave South<br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle WA 98144-3909<br></div><div dir="ltr">206-625-0092<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a><mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Covid-19 Update - All attorneys are working remotely during regular business hours and are available via email and by phone. Videoconferencing also is available. Signing of estate planning documents can be completed and will be handled on a case-by-case basis. Please direct mail and deliveries to the Seattle office.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Jason Burnett<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 8:45 AM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Litigation and Statute of Frauds<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I thought I caught him in an error, but PHOOEY! It?s a recognized alternative spelling.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jason W. Burnett<br></div><div dir="ltr">Attorney at Law<br></div><div dir="ltr">Reed Longyear Malnati Corwin & Burnett, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">[A black background with white text Description automatically generated with low confidence]<<a href="http://reedlongyearlaw.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://reedlongyearlaw.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">801 Second Ave, Suite 1415<br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle, WA 98104<br></div><div dir="ltr">Phone: (206) 624?6271<br></div><div dir="ltr">Fax: (206) 624?6672<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:jburnett@reedlongyearlaw.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jburnett@reedlongyearlaw.com</a><mailto:jburnett@reedlongyearlaw.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">www.reedlongyearlaw.com<<a href="http://www.reedlongyearlaw.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.reedlongyearlaw.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">[cid:image002.png@01D972E8.7A897C30]<<a href="https://www.facebook.com/reedlongyear" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/reedlongyear</a>>[cid:image003.png@01D972E8.7A897C30]<<a href="https://twitter.com/ReedLongyear" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ReedLongyear</a>>[cid:image004.png@01D972E8.7A897C30]<<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/reed-longyear-malnati-&-ahrens-pllc" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/company/reed-longyear-malnati-&-ahrens-pllc</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">The information in this email message may be privileged and confidential. 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If you received this in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Sullivan, Brett<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 5:17 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Litigation and Statute of Frauds<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric, you had me at "Pfui." That was awesome.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Brett T. Sullivan<br></div><div dir="ltr">Attorney at Law<br></div><div dir="ltr">Partner<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">[https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yOUljtOzDnhXCjUiBuPG8Hj6U3HtblY4BFjXug8xSesMpbpAA6U7WWxXOnDSm6h0dzArGezBExbwe0KKhWvqeCuNUqlGzJbMnMRv7h8A]<br></div><div dir="ltr">1403 S. 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If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution, or use of this email or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 4:53?PM Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a><mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">Pfui. Garbage defense. Assertion of the existence of a PSA is an affirmative defense against the eviction because it evades or negates elements necessary to prove UD?whether the occupant is a ?tenant? under a ?rental agreement? as defined in Title 59. The burden of proof on affirmative defenses is with the defendant. See Kastanis v. Educ. Emps. Credit Union, 122 Wash.2d 483, 493, 859 P.2d 26 (1993) (the defendant bears the burden of proof ?only where it asserts an ?affirmative defense? ?); Locke v. City of Seattle, 133 Wash.App. 696, 713, 137 P.3d 52 (2006) (?The burden of proof is ... placed upon the party asserting the avoidance or affirmative defense.?). The fact that he isn?t making a counterclaim is irrelevant.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">That said, a contract to purchase real property does not need to be in writing, even though a conveyance or lien (or real estate commission agreement) does?so long as its terms must be completely performed within one year. See the blog post by Babak Shamsi on Beresford Booth?s website<https://beresfordlaw.com/what-is-the-statute-of-frauds/#:~:text=Washington%20State%20affords%20great%20flexibility,to%20have%20an%20enforceable%20agreement.>. So I think the occupant can testify to the alleged contract and how it was formed and what its terms are. (All subject to the trier of fact?s credibility determination, of course, and subject to denial by the plaintiff.)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Might be able to trip them up immediately if they testify to any term that could or would require performance more than a year after formation. If the agreement was for payments to be made over multiple years, that violates RCW 19.36.010(1)<<a href="https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=19.36&full=true#19.36.010" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=19.36&full=true#19.36.010</a>>. (But note case law about saving an oral contract to purchase real estate by occupancy plus partial performance.)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Since this would be a pretty complex lie to pull off, I?d depose/examine the occupant concerning all the specifics on when and how the agreement was formed?on the phone? in person? when? and then question all the elements of formation and performance ? offer, acceptance, consideration, purchase price, payment terms, interest rate, type of deed conveyance, escrow, title insurance company, closing date, any financing required, contingencies, etc., etc., until they?re desperately making up as many random clauses as they can. Ask them if the seller recited the legal description during their completely oral agreement (no emails, no texts, nothing in writing concerning a contract to buy?).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Ask them about contextual/circumstantial evidence of the existence of a contract. After the agreement was made, then what? Did they make payments? Any evidence of those payments? Checks have ?installment payment on contract? written on them, or anything like that? Emails from the landlord treating him as a purchaser and not a tenant? Did they make any demands as a tenant, like getting the plumbing repaired or whatever? Ever invoke tenant protections even though supposedly buying the property?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Re the original question about statute of frauds at trial?I?d file a Motion in Limine asking the Court to exclude all evidence/testimony suggesting the existence of a contract in violation of RCW 19.36.010(1). At the least, this puts the issue at the forefront of the judge?s mind.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sincerely,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric C. Nelsen<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">1417 31st Ave South<br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle WA 98144-3909<br></div><div dir="ltr">206-625-0092<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a><mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Covid-19 Update - All attorneys are working remotely during regular business hours and are available via email and by phone. Videoconferencing also is available. Signing of estate planning documents can be completed and will be handled on a case-by-case basis. Please direct mail and deliveries to the Seattle office.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Paul Neumiller<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 3:53 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Litigation and Statute of Frauds<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">NJP attorney is arguing that they don?t have to prove a purchase and sale agreement because title is not the issue. NJP is arguing that they are presenting the testimony that T is buying the property as a defense that Plaintiff must overcome because Plaintiff has the burden of proof and T is not asserting it as a counter-claim. Any thoughts? I?m arguing it is two sides of the same coin.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">[cid:image005.jpg@01D972E8.7A897C30]<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Stromberg, Spencer<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 3:00 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Litigation and Statute of Frauds<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I agree with Kelby. I represented a defendant in a UD case several years back who claimed he had an agreement to buy the property, and we lost because we didn't satisfy the statute of frauds. My client had an email or two and his testimony that it was a "rent to own" situation (plaintiff was his sister!). Is it too late for SJ? If discovery hasn't produced a signed agreement that adequately identifies the property and the terms of sale, you should win on SJ. At trial, I don't think there's much weighing of evidence - there's either a written contract or there isn't. If there is a written contract, the judge should then be the one to weigh the evidence as a matter of law only in the event there is some question about whether a written agreement adequately describes the property or the terms.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Spencer A. W. Stromberg<br></div><div dir="ltr">Attorney at Law<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">[https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wMRe_ukoUDSfEk1B9GOtzEv1ZmETJ5W4aT8G-i1q6fL7AkhPL9-7Q-uOEqpeS39zB_6R0N47HVfeKJTfKSM6im7XYlsivfchznVeSWqQ]<br></div><div dir="ltr">1403 S. Grand Blvd., Suite 201-S<br></div><div dir="ltr">Spokane, WA 99203-2278<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">P: 509.455.3713<br></div><div dir="ltr">D: 509.828.4644<br></div><div dir="ltr">F: +1.509.455.3718 (must dial 1 before area code)<br></div><div dir="ltr">E: <a href="mailto:spencer@lucentlaw.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spencer@lucentlaw.com</a><mailto:spencer@lucentlaw.com><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">lucentlaw.com<<a href="https://www.lucentlaw.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lucentlaw.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Facebook<<a href="https://www.facebook.com/lucentlaw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/lucentlaw</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">LinkedIn<<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/lucent-law" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/lucent-law</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Twitter<<a href="https://twitter.com/LucentLaw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/LucentLaw</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution, or use of this email or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me and delete it from your system.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:36?AM Kelby Derenick <<a href="mailto:kelby@derenicklaw.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kelby@derenicklaw.com</a><mailto:kelby@derenicklaw.com>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">I would think that whether a contract exists for the sale of the property would be a question of fact. So, if you are representing the Plaintiff in the trial, when your client testifies and in anticipation of what the Defendant is going to argue, have the Plaintiff provide testimony that there was no contract for the<br></div><div dir="ltr">sale of the property. Then, after the Defendant is finished with presenting his/her defense and counterclaims and introduces whatever documents into evidence, you can recall your client to provide rebuttal testimony to address whatever the Defendant introduced. After the evidentiary part of the trial is over, if there was no evidence of a contract, move the court for dismissal of that counterclaim under CR 41 or CR 50 Judgment as a Matter of Law if there is a jury (for non-unlawful detainer trials).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">If the judge won't dismiss it, then just argue at closing that the Defendant cannot prevail on the counterclaim because there was no contract and the statute of frauds case law requires a contract (cite and argue statute of frauds case law).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Kelby J. Derenick<br></div><div dir="ltr">Attorney<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">9414 State Ave., Suite E<br></div><div dir="ltr">Marysville, WA 98270<br></div><div dir="ltr">Ph: (206) 659-5061<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">14 E. Main Street, Suite 207<br></div><div dir="ltr">Walla Walla, WA 99362<br></div><div dir="ltr">Ph: (509) 676-9805<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail message contains information that (a) is or may be legally privileged, confidential, proprietary in nature, or otherwise protected by law from disclosure, and (b) is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named herein. If you are not the intended recipient, an addressee, or the person responsible for delivering this to an addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, using, copying, or distributing any part of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please contact me immediately and take the steps necessary to delete the message completely from your computer system. Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 4:07?PM Paul Neumiller <<a href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">pneumiller@hotmail.com</a><mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">So I have a trial coming up where the occupant says occupant is buying the house and I represent the LL who says the occupant is renting the house and therefore subject to unlawful detainer. The occupant has little to show that occupant is buying the house and therefore the statute of frauds kicks in. But how? Is it a ?weight of the evidence type of thing? where the occupant can still present oral testimony and a couple of documents which don?t meet the requirements of the statute of limitations? Or, can I object (on what grounds?) to the evidence from being presented at trial in the first place because it fails to rise to the level of documentation required by the statute of frauds? In other words, I have this thing called the statute of frauds. 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target="_blank">delp@whidbey.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] Referral request<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:0BAA25A6-E300-4434-A2B4-DF1E2C3DD3D0@whidbey.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">0BAA25A6-E300-4434-A2B4-DF1E2C3DD3D0@whidbey.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I am looking for a referral to an attorney with expertise on land use and water drainage issues. The issue involves water and drainage pipe crossing property lines. Property is located in Coupeville, Washington.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks!<br></div><div dir="ltr">Margaret Delp<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:40:36 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "Meyler Legal, PLLC" <<a href="mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">samuel@meylerlegal.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Excise Tax<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:3DEECB94-392C-4345-B335-24C8CFC1951A@meylerlegal.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">3DEECB94-392C-4345-B335-24C8CFC1951A@meylerlegal.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230419/994468a0/attachment-0001.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230419/994468a0/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 4<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 09:44:00 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "Stromberg, Spencer" <<a href="mailto:spencer@lucentlaw.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spencer@lucentlaw.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Excise Tax<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAGyXgZKHaJkV+brtEFnpGUtdr9GgSSrw87mBUSrJsDbLqcAmMA@mail.gmail.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">If the gift exemption is being used, the supplemental statement is<br></div><div dir="ltr">required. If there is a significant difference between 1/2 the mortgage<br></div><div dir="ltr">balance and 1/2 the overall value of the property, I would recommend using<br></div><div dir="ltr">the gift exemption for the difference, just to reduce the risk of a DOR<br></div><div dir="ltr">audit of the REETA. Also, the amount of "consideration" may depend on who<br></div><div dir="ltr">has been making the payments - there are several options on the<br></div><div dir="ltr">supplemental statement (e.g., if the grantee has been making 100% of the<br></div><div dir="ltr">payments and will continue to do so, then there is no consideration in the<br></div><div dir="ltr">eyes of DOR).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Another consideration is that if the gift exemption is used, the grantor<br></div><div dir="ltr">may need to file a federal gift tax return.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*Spencer A. W. Stromberg*<br></div><div dir="ltr">Attorney at Law<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">1403 S. Grand Blvd., Suite 201-S<br></div><div dir="ltr">Spokane, WA 99203-2278<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">P: 509.455.3713<br></div><div dir="ltr">D: 509.828.4644<br></div><div dir="ltr">F: +1.509.455.3718 (must dial 1 before area code)<br></div><div dir="ltr">E: <a href="mailto:spencer@lucentlaw.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">spencer@lucentlaw.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">lucentlaw.com <<a href="https://www.lucentlaw.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lucentlaw.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Facebook <<a href="https://www.facebook.com/lucentlaw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/lucentlaw</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">LinkedIn <<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/lucent-law" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/lucent-law</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Twitter <<a href="https://twitter.com/LucentLaw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/LucentLaw</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are confidential and<br></div><div dir="ltr">may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient,<br></div><div dir="ltr">be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution, or use of this email<br></div><div dir="ltr">or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this email in error,<br></div><div dir="ltr">please notify me and delete it from your system.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 7:46?PM Meyler Legal, PLLC <<a href="mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">samuel@meylerlegal.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Mark,<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Piggybacking off of this, what if 50% of the balance of the mortgage plus<br></div><div dir="ltr">> cash that is being paid as consideration, is still less than 50% of the tax<br></div><div dir="ltr">> assessed value. Do you know if a supplement statement still needs to be<br></div><div dir="ltr">> provided?<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> *Samuel M. 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One half the balance of the mortgage? If<br></div><div dir="ltr">> that is the only consideration and if there is any equity in the property<br></div><div dir="ltr">> then, yes, the parties should execute and provide a Supplemental Statement<br></div><div dir="ltr">> reflecting the gift.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> *Mark B. 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H died in 2018 with a will, leaving everything to W. His estate was never probated. W died in 2022 with a will. Her estate is being probated. To remove H from title, we have now opened probate for H's estate to put title to the property solely in the name of W in accordance with the terms of H's will so that it can subsequently be conveyed by W's estate.<br></div><div dir="ltr">On a bargain and sale deed from H's estate, what is the best way to describe the grantee? W? Estate of W? Something else?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Mark B. Anderson<br></div><div dir="ltr">ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">821 Dock St Ste 209 PMB 4-12<br></div><div dir="ltr">Tacoma, Washington 98402<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1750<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1751 (fax)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a><mailto:marka@mbaesq.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">www.mbaesq.com<<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<br></div><div dir="ltr">This transmission is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual named recipient. It may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, work product doctrine, or other confidentiality protection. 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Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230420/09a410f2/attachment-0001.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230420/09a410f2/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 6<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 18:35:08 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Mark Anderson <<a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Excise Tax<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:MW2PR12MB23795FB7BBF9DF2BEACC69A6C8639@MW2PR12MB2379.namprd12.prod.outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">MW2PR12MB23795FB7BBF9DF2BEACC69A6C8639@MW2PR12MB2379.namprd12.prod.outlook.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">FWIW, I agree with what Spencer said.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Mark B. Anderson<br></div><div dir="ltr">ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">821 Dock St Ste 209 PMB 4-12<br></div><div dir="ltr">Tacoma, Washington 98402<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1750<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1751 (fax)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a><mailto:marka@mbaesq.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">www.mbaesq.com<<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<br></div><div dir="ltr">This transmission is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual named recipient. It may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, work product doctrine, or other confidentiality protection. 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Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Stromberg, Spencer<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: 04/20/2023 9:44 AM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Excise Tax<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">If the gift exemption is being used, the supplemental statement is required. If there is a significant difference between 1/2 the mortgage balance and 1/2 the overall value of the property, I would recommend using the gift exemption for the difference, just to reduce the risk of a DOR audit of the REETA. Also, the amount of "consideration" may depend on who has been making the payments - there are several options on the supplemental statement (e.g., if the grantee has been making 100% of the payments and will continue to do so, then there is no consideration in the eyes of DOR).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Another consideration is that if the gift exemption is used, the grantor may need to file a federal gift tax return.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Spencer A. W. Stromberg<br></div><div dir="ltr">Attorney at Law<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">[https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wMRe_ukoUDSfEk1B9GOtzEv1ZmETJ5W4aT8G-i1q6fL7AkhPL9-7Q-uOEqpeS39zB_6R0N47HVfeKJTfKSM6im7XYlsivfchznVeSWqQ]<br></div><div dir="ltr">1403 S. 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If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution, or use of this email or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me and delete it from your system.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 7:46?PM Meyler Legal, PLLC <<a href="mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">samuel@meylerlegal.com</a><mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">Mark,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Piggybacking off of this, what if 50% of the balance of the mortgage plus cash that is being paid as consideration, is still less than 50% of the tax assessed value. Do you know if a supplement statement still needs to be provided?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Samuel M. Meyler<br></div><div dir="ltr">Meyler Legal, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">1700 Westlake Ave. N., Ste. 200<br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle, WA 98109<br></div><div dir="ltr">Main: 206-876-7770<br></div><div dir="ltr">Fax: 206-876-7771<br></div><div dir="ltr">Direct: 206-876-7772<br></div><div dir="ltr">Email: <a href="mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">samuel@meylerlegal.com</a><mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">NOTICE:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This electronic message contains information which may be Confidential or Privileged and constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act 18 USC 2510. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received together with any attachments. Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Apr 19, 2023, at 6:00 PM, Mark Anderson <<a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a><mailto:marka@mbaesq.com>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">?<br></div><div dir="ltr">How much is the one person agreeing to be paid by the other person for their interest in the property? One half the balance of the mortgage? If that is the only consideration and if there is any equity in the property then, yes, the parties should execute and provide a Supplemental Statement reflecting the gift.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Mark B. 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Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Nestor Gorfinkel<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: 04/18/2023 1:46 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] Excise Tax<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Unmarried couple, bad breakup and one is taking out the other from title.<br></div><div dir="ltr">There will be a refinance and excise tax will be paid on ? of the balance of mortgage. On REETA I just assumed we indicate partial sale and no other consideration. I was told that there has to be a gift exemption supplement for any difference in ? the appraised value. Is that the case?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cordially,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law<br></div><div dir="ltr">Licensed in Florida & Washington State<br></div><div dir="ltr">Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><image001.jpg><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">ATTENTION - This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. 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