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<p>I agree completely. When changes to the law cause attorneys (like
me) to shut down rental operations or move them to other states
(Idaho is good) responsible tenants loose. Only the statist win.<br>
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<p>K. Garl Long<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/23/23 19:55, Tom Lee wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'll take heat for this, but the following was my
response to a discussion on pending LL/T legislation:
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<div>My colleagues diplomatically identified the flaws in this
first volley<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
of landlord-tenant legislation. Nonetheless, I have a rather
blunt<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
assessment regarding SB 5197, and the myriad landlord-tenant
"reforms"<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
that are in the Legislative pipeline.<br>
<br>
SB 5197 and its ilk do not address actual legal problems. SB
5197 and<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
its ilk do not address actual policy problems, especially not
housing<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
affordability. SB 5197 and its ilk are purely political pieces
of<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
legislation designed specifically to undermine a landlord's
ability to<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
have any control over who landlords rent their property to,
and how to<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
respond to the malfeasances of irresponsible or downright bad
tenants.<br>
<br>
The legislators introducing these reforms do not care about
private<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
property rights, our opinions as experienced landlord/real
estate<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
attorneys, or those inconvenient things called facts. This
privileged<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
legislative cohort does not care about how absurd and
difficult it is to<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
practice landlord-tenant law, representing actual people whose<span
class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
livelihoods are on the line. I cannot express how frustrating
it is to<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
re-educate the courts on sea changes in landlord-tenant law,
while<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
expecting that my clients, citizens of Washington state, will
receive<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
results consistent with the fair and impartial administration
of<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
justice.<br>
<br>
Moderation in all things, including moderation. Respectfully,
I<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
encourage our lobby and friendly legislators to oppose all<span
class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
landlord-tenant reforms in the session. Such efforts may be
futile.<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Nonetheless, the 2021 session wrought enough damage we are
still trying<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
to implement. These proposed reforms are obviously political,
and<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
designed to kill private landlords by "death through a
thousand cuts."<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Introducing new reforms is pure political theatre that
undermines all<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
law-abiding citizens who pay their rent or mortgage, honor any
sort of<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
contractual agreement, and fundamentally respect the rule of
law.<br>
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I am my own boss: I can be blunt without fear of repercussion.
However,<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
I know a number of colleagues share similar opinions. While I
will<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
convey my opinions to my legislators through appropriate
channels, I<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
appreciate you listening to my blunt assessment.</div>
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Respectfully,<br>
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Tom Lee<br>
Attorney and Counselor at Law<br>
R. Thomas Lee, PLLC<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:08
PM Kaitlyn Jackson <<a
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<div dir="auto">Or just find rent assistance programs and deal
with the issue at the source. <br>
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Andrew Hay <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">While there is truth to the
problem of individuals fleeing the renting market, I
would say the discussion is less about horrible
landlords owing poor tenants than it is about social
priorities. I favor residential properties being
owned and managed by individuals and families like
Carmen far more than by the hedge funds and the
investor class. So it is sad to see individuals
abandoning the rental market because of recent
changes in the law and the growth of tenant
advocacy. However, I support both the tenant
advocates and the recent law changes. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some ridiculous proportion of our
country’s wealth goes to one percent of the
population. Brookings says the wealthiest one
percent owns more than the entire middle class. By
Bernie’s math it is 99%. In any case, the wealth
gap is ridiculous. The wealth gap is a product of
social policy – whether it be taxation, market
regulation, and state and federal legislation.
Little is being done to change this and the gap is
growing not narrowing.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Landlord tenant-relation is a
microcosm of this. Landlords are invariably more
wealthy than tenants.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roughly half of rental housing in
the US is owned by investment trusts or hedge funds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hedge funds and investment trusts
make billions of dollars and pay little taxes – less
than middle income people. Hedge funds are
essentially a vehicle for wealth to be taken from
the 99 percent and given to the one percent.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So half the housing in the US is
owned by the very vehicle that perpetuates and
increases the wealth gap.
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">One a more narrow scale, the
average monthly rent for a one-bedroom apartment in
Seattle is $2,615.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Minimum wage is $15 an hour which
creates a gross wage of $2500 a month.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The situation is not much better
outside of Seattle. The benefits of living in lower
rental areas are offset by the high cost of auto
transit, flimsy public transportation, and the
stress and time loss of commuting.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It doesn’t stop there.
Homelessness is increasing. People are homeless
because they can’t afford rent, have been evicted
and can no longer rent, or have life issues –
addiction, mental health, etc. Our social
infrastructure to support this population has
decreased proportionally over time – and the numbers
of homeless everywhere are increasing.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">People recognize the fundamental
inequity of this. That has led to the changes in
housing legislation that slow the pace of fast,
cheap evictions. This is a good thing. I wouldn’t
say it will stop the wealth gap from increasing but
it treats a symptom of the wealth gap.
Unfortunately treating symptoms is not a cure for
the disease, but it is better than doing nothing and
therefore better than maintaining the status quo.
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<p class="MsoNormal">For people with one or two
rentals, it is unfortunate that you have to abandon
the rental market because you are better landlords
than the hedge funds. But you can always move into
more secure investments like the stock market. And
find comfort in the 7% to 8% annual gains in that
investment vehicle. Ironically these returns are
largely due now to the hedge funds and the wealth
gap they perpetuate.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The people really suffering from
the current changes in rental realities are
renters. The recent changes in the balance of power
that favor renters are only the first of many steps
that need to be taken to support that group.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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style="font-family:"Berlin Sans
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carmen Rowe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 19, 2023 6:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] [WSBARP Digest]
evictions, UD and available housing</p>
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response rather than try to cut & paste
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"Food for thought - the unlawful detainer
statute was created for a quick and
efficient way to resolve the issue of
possession. It's no longer quick, it's no
longer efficient, and it's no longer
affordable for many landlords. Some are
starting to consider walking away from
unlawful detainers and just file full on
ejectment cases because now they are likely
faster and can resolve all issues more
effectively than unlawful detainers can.<br>
KJ"</span><span
style="font-family:"Trebuchet
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style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Amen, Amen, Amen
... other than
it's way
beyond that,
as someone
else noted.
Not some, but
many, small
housing
providers are
considering
(and many have
acted upon)
leaving the
market
altogether. I
did, and every
person I
personally
know that had
a rental
property or
two did. Those
that had it
for retirement
quickly saw
the potential
for it to pull
them down, not
maintain them,
and invested
elsewhere.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">The latest mess
just showed
that the
government is
plenty willing
to "take"
private
property to
serve the
greater good
(I know it
wasn't
technically a
"taking" as it
said tenants
still liable;
but the odds
of a tenant
that far in
arrears having
the means to
pay it back?
In I would
hazard to say
the very vast
majority of
cases, the
words are just
air, any
judgment worth
less than the
paper it was
printed on).
Never mind the
ongoing
increasingly
extreme
tenant-protection
laws (King
County
leading, but
where KC goes,
the rest
apparently
eventually
follows). No
cause eviction
was the final
straw for many
colleagues
& friends
& family I
knew who had
rental
properties.
With the solid
market, they
simply sold.
Which also
allowed one of
the few
remaining
options for a
straight-forward end to a tenancy.</span></p>
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It won't get
better. What
used to be a
viable
secondary
source of
income (and
sometimes,
critically, a
resource for
retirement)
just isn't
anymore. And
there goes a
significant
chunk of the
housing market
- which
contained, by
the way, the
landlords who
were likely
the least of
the problems
the
legislation
meant to
address, and
the most
likely to be
accommodating/friendly/humane
to their
tenants, with
whom there was
a more
personal
connection by
the nature of
the person
just having a
few rentals.
So you
eliminate a
significant
chunk of the
housing, and
another chunk
gets passed to
the 'mass
production
landlords' who
are the worse
offenders.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">I could not
agree more
with that
comment that
this is a
horrible trend
long-term for
homelessness,
so the
purported
protections
will do great
harm.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">But I never seem
to see any
discussion on
that. Only how
horrible
landlords are,
how they "owe"
it to the
tenants, how
they were
somehow just
living high on
this side gig.
Is there any
balance to the
discussion
anywhere?</span></p>
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