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<p class="MsoNormal">I have done very few tree cases; nevertheless I have great difficulty hearing there is an ‘absolute’ right to do anything at all. Seems to me that anyone who creates a hazard tree is likely to be held responsible at least some of the damage
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>I think it is clear under the Washington case that the one has the right to cut tree roots on their property up to the property line regardless of the damage to the tree however, the case law
does not directly answer the question, which is if the tree roots are removed and as a result, the tree falls down and damages property damage or causes personal injury and you can establish that the person removing the roots knew or should?ve known of this
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I have done a tremendous amount of tree work and find it very interesting, but have not yet run into this specific scenario ... would be fascinated to hear if others have analyzed the caselaw
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<p class="MsoNormal">On the one hand, there is the preliminary obvious argument that (1) the neighbor exercised his/her absolute right (assuming none of trunk is on boundary line) and (2) the owner, however much it sucks, now has the obligation to deal with
the rest of the tree as they know it is now a hazard tree and will be liable for damage. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wonder if it could be like work done under the "common enemy doctrine" (re: water) or other work that you have the "right" to do on your property, even if it has an inevitable impact on the neighbors' property - but a negligence standard
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, the key problem I see is that unlike there, in these cases there is an absolute express right to, specifically, cut the roots (or limbs) of a tree, also expressly
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think one can assume that courts are aware that compromising a tree's health has potential implications in things like safety of the tree, and a tree's owner always has liability for that, and there was no carve-out in the "there is no
liability" rule. Which I think pretty persuasively means that it does come back to the owner of the tree. The courts could have carved out gray areas anywhere along the way, but have held a hard line on the absolute right / immunity from liability. I think
the only *possible* argument would be if the neighbor cut without notice and in such a way the owner couldn't have possibly known/taken appropriate course to deal with what they were left with in time to avoid a problem. Perhaps there is some narrow arguably
duty. But short of that ... <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps there is a question of a possible prescriptive easement, and seems surely a case somewhere has asked that question - but I don't recall seeing it and never had occasion to look at it. But even if possible, would be an uphill battle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sadly it's so tough, but I do understand the hard line for some people. Those roots can have tremendous impact on any underground (and some at-ground) structures. It sounds like the neighbor may be planning work in the yard and doesn't
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<p class="MsoNormal">In such cases I always suggest as best you can to explore non-judicial options, thinking out of the box, such as offering money for an easement for key roots (consider the cost of having to remove the tree if it really now will be a hazard
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<p class="MsoNormal">And of course there is always asking the questions to see if this really is about the tree at all, or is there perhaps some underlying simmering dispute that the neighbor is acting on out of spite/frustration/anger, and address that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 23:01:06 +0000<br>
From: Roger Hawkes <<a href="mailto:roger@skyvalleylawyers.com" target="_blank">roger@skyvalleylawyers.com</a>><br>
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My understanding is that big trees have long roots; they go everywhere. Most of them have no important structural function; but there should be a distinction between the stabilizing roots and the smaller ones that cross many yards.<br>
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Thank you, Bryce. There seems to definitely be possible conflicting outcomes. Some of the tree's roots are on the neighbor's property but cutting those roots will definitely destabilize the tree itself.<br>
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I think it is clear under the Washington case that the one has the right to cut tree roots on their property up to the property line regardless of the damage to the tree however, the case law does not directly answer the question, which is if the tree roots
are removed and as a result, the tree falls down and damages property damage or causes personal injury and you can establish that the person removing the roots knew or should?ve known of this result is that person liable for the resulting damage.<br>
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On Jan 16, 2023, at 1:55 PM, Melody Tucker Law <<a href="mailto:melodytuckerlaw@hotmail.com" target="_blank">melodytuckerlaw@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:melodytuckerlaw@hotmail.com" target="_blank">melodytuckerlaw@hotmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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I received a call from a potential client who has property containing numerous large trees. The tree in question in this matter is fully on his own property but some roots do extend onto the neighbor's property, of course. The roots have done no damage, but
the neighbor has decided to cut the roots at the property line because he doesn't want them on his side of the fence. The PC is concerned that if those very large roots are cut, it could kill the tree eventually. Even of greater concern is that those are anchoring
roots and that tree will no longer be secure and could easily fall onto his house.<br>
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The neighbor is determined to cut the roots. PC would like to know what his legal standing is to 1- prohibit the neighbor from cutting the roots, or 2- what his recourse is should the roots be cut and the tree dies or falls onto his home.<br>
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Thanks, Bryce; that is what I have though was ?the law? for a long time.<br>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Tree Root Issue<br>
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Herring v. Pelayo It holds that if tree is standing on the property line it is owned in common and that it seems to hold that you can trim the branches on your side if it does not affect the health of the tree but you are liable if it does kill or damage the
tree which different then other case cited where the tree was not on the line.<br>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Tree Root Issue<br>
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Thanks, Bryce; my search won?t find that number; what is the case name?<br>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Tree Root Issue<br>
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However we have a different result if the tree that dies is right on the property line and is on both of the neighboring properties see 198 Wn.App. 828 the court held the neighbors hold the tree as tenants in common<br>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Tree Root Issue<br>
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The case did talk about nuisance/negligence. It said that nuisance cloaked in negligence gets a negligence review ? and that, the claim fails because it can?t pass the first element of negligence, breach of duty.<br>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Tree Root Issue<br>
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I think it is clear under the Washington case that the one has the right to cut tree roots on their property up to the property line regardless of the damage to the tree however, the case law does not directly answer the question, which is if the tree roots
are removed and as a result, the tree falls down and damages property damage or causes personal injury and you can establish that the person removing the roots knew or should?ve known of this result is that person liable for the resulting damage.<br>
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On Jan 16, 2023, at 1:55 PM, Melody Tucker Law <<a href="mailto:melodytuckerlaw@hotmail.com" target="_blank">melodytuckerlaw@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:melodytuckerlaw@hotmail.com" target="_blank">melodytuckerlaw@hotmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Listmates, I have a question for the knowledgeable among you in tree law.<br>
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I received a call from a potential client who has property containing numerous large trees. The tree in question in this matter is fully on his own property but some roots do extend onto the neighbor's property, of course. The roots have done no damage, but
the neighbor has decided to cut the roots at the property line because he doesn't want them on his side of the fence. The PC is concerned that if those very large roots are cut, it could kill the tree eventually. Even of greater concern is that those are anchoring
roots and that tree will no longer be secure and could easily fall onto his house.<br>
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The neighbor is determined to cut the roots. PC would like to know what his legal standing is to 1- prohibit the neighbor from cutting the roots, or 2- what his recourse is should the roots be cut and the tree dies or falls onto his home.<br>
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All input, information, and citations if available, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.<br>
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Melody<br>
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Melody Claire Tucker<br>
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