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<p>The property was presumptively CP when bought, and that
presumption can be overcome a number of ways, such as showing an
inheritance, the source of the funds to buy, etc. But I'm not so
sure that even if it was separate property that would change the
result, because it wasn't provided for in the decree. I don't
believe that the jointly owned rule only applies to CP. Remember
the divorce court doesn't need to award SP to the spouse that owns
the property as SP. So at this point I think the only way it
wouldn't be jointly owned would be to somehow amend the decree, if
that is even possible over a decade later and after one party
dies.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2023 3:36 PM, Eric Nelsen
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<p class="MsoNormal">Agree with Andrew. Divorce was final in
2010 without addressing the real estate; that means the real
estate, which seems pretty clearly to have been community
property during the marriage, now is held as equal tenants in
common by them as their separate property. Post-divorce, there
is no CP, by definition. Doug Becker’s quickcites is a great
resource on CP/SP and divorce issues; I highly recommend
joining DRAW (Domestic Relations Attorneys of Washington) and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Hay<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 12, 2023 2:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Divorce Decree Silent as to
Ownership of House<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am not sure the property would be treated
as CP. I am concerned that wife’s interest is a half interest
as TIC with husband’s heir. Undivided CP is held by the
ex-spouses as TIC. This makes it look like SP, not CP. So
when H died, his half went to his child. But W retained her
half interest.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So it is possible, she is currently
half-owner as TIC with heir of H.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A deed to the son would effectively
transfer her interest in the property to him.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As a practical matter, even if the property
is CP and she inherits his half, then she is full owner and
she can transfer it to his son.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Then the next question would be can the son
reject the deed?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also, how comfortable can she feel that she
won’t get dragged into some quiet title thing later on down
the road or some request for contribution to property
expenses?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Those are risks she has to evaluate. An
agreement with the son would put those issues to rest.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here are some cites from Doug Becker’s
family law quickcites:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Community property not disposed of by
decree is held by the parties as tenants in common (cite
omitted). The adjudication of rights in property not disposed
of in a dissolution decree requires an independent action for
partition (cite omitted).” (Wagers, p. 880) A partition action
seeks a declaratory judgment pursuant to RCW 7.24. The
attorney fees provision of RCW 26.09.140 is not applicable in
such an action and the costs recoverable under RCW 7.24.100
are limited (Wagers, but see Seals v. Seals, 22 Wn. App. 652,
657-58 for an opinion to the contrary). Note the exception for
fraud in the next item.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Wagers v. Goodwin, 92 Wn. App. 876, 880,
964 P.2d 1214 (1998);
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In re Marriage of Monaghan, 78 Wn. App.
918, 929, 899 P.2d 841 (1995);
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In re Marriage of Bishop, 46 Wn. App. 198,
729 P.2d 647 (1986)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Berlin
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Berlin Sans
FB",sans-serif">Tacoma, WA 98418<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Berlin
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moz-do-not-send="true">www.washingtonlaw.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Berlin Sans
FB",sans-serif">He/him/his<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Berlin Sans
FB",sans-serif">253.272.2400 (w)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Berlin Sans
FB",sans-serif">253.377.3085 (c)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 12, 2023 2:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Divorce Decree Silent as to
Ownership of House<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If w is still alive, she can get the house
if she wants it. If no will the community property goes to
the spouse.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b><a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 12, 2023 1:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Divorce Decree Silent as to
Ownership of House<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Listmates:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In 1994, H & W buy home under a Real
Estate Contract. On December 9, 2010, H & W divorce
finalized. In the “do-it-yourself” decree, there is no
mention of who gets the home. Home remains in both names, but
H continues to live on the property. October, 2022, H dies.
No probate has been filed. W wants her name off the
property. If H were alive a quit claim deed to him would
suffice. However, there is no one to “accept” the deed. What
can be done? There is a child, who, I presume, could open a
probate, accept the deed then sell the property for the
estate. Have any of you run into this problem?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
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