<div dir="ltr">Paul -<div><br></div><div>Creative idea - however, I don't think the 30 day CARES Act notice has the "just cause" grounds that would be necessary under state (and probably local) law required to terminate. </div><div><br></div><div>KJ<br><p class="ri_default_signature"><i>Sent with <a href="https://www.rightinbox.com/?utm_source=signature" style="color:#a0d469">Right Inbox</a></i></p><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 5:22 PM Paul Neumiller <<a href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com">pneumiller@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg6806048220705073783">
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be that LL should serve the cares act 30-day notice and then serve the 14-day notice 16 days later so the end of the 30-day notice coincides with the end of the 14-day notice?
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wasn't planning on making my 3 and 10 days into 30 days but maybe just leaving cares notice language and praying for the best. Who knows. Most days it feels like whack a mole trying to figure it all out <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] CARES Act: 30 Day Notice to Pay Rent or Vacate
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<p class="MsoNormal">Clear as mud.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tenant’s counsel has been arguing that the 30-days applies to ALL notices, not just nonpayment. As 15 U.S.C. § 9058(c) only states “notice to vacate” and does not reference nonpayment. However, the whole overarching statute apples to
nonpayment cases. This is a mess. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My view is to change the 14-day notice to a 30-day notice if it is a “covered property”. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The real test will be to see how the courts interpret this for 10-Day and Three-Day notices.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for posting, I saw this case come out, read it and after reading it 10 times decided it’s not the clearest opinion IMHO.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Has anyone else changed the way they do their forms as a result and incorporated this 30 day requirement into the 14 day itself (effectively making it a 30 day notice to pay or vacate) instead of 2 notices? Curious what others are taking
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<p class="MsoNormal">In case you have not heard yet, the Washington Court of Appeals held last week that the federal CARES Act’s 30-Day notice requirement for residential pay-or-vacate notices must be complied with if the property is a “<span style="font-size:11.5pt">covered
dwelling” defined in 15 U.S.C. § 9058. This includes properties receiving federal subsidies or properties with mortgages
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">The opinion is attached. If you do any residential unlawful detainer actions, you may want to check with your clients regarding their mortgages prior to serving a notice. Tenant’s counsel are aware and have
started using this as a defense, so it may be prudent to prepare to rebut this.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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