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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, you are right about the location, that was the area.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again for the insights.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">dc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 1, 2022 7:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] [External Email] An HOV Violation question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>It would really help to know the stretch of road you're talking about, because there are different systems.<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>But the only one that seems to fit your description is the 405 "Express Toll Lanes" north of Bellevue, and as I mentioned privately, you cannot get into or out of those lanes except at certain locations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>But in any case, the sensors can tell what lane the car is in so that they don't charge cars in the neighboring lanes. So for example, on 167 they only charge vehicles in "toll mode" if they are in the left HOV lane. That means it's doubtful they flash
if the car is not in the HOV lane.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/31/2022 4:07 PM, Dave Culbertson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Allen.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the reply. Yes, that fits with what my friend described. I just spoke to Good-To-Go customer service, and the meaning of “HOV Lane Mode” as far as I can tell is that it informs the system you have a Good-To-Go pass and therefore
you get a discount on the posted fee—if the signs say “$1.00”, you either pay 1.00 or even 0.00 if you are on certain stretches of road (I-405, SR 167). Whereas if you have no Good-To-Go pass or account, you’ll end up paying $3.00 if they mail you the toll
to pay.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">IF that is all it means—then the officer never established in his factual statements that the car was in the HOV lane. If that’s the case….there is insufficient evidence of the violation, ticket should be dismissed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So my gnawing doubt—customer service simply didn’t know enough to say whether the white light
<u>also means</u> the car is in the HOV lane. So the judge might say “I’m taking judicial notice that the white light only flashes when a car is in the HOV lane….”. In which case it would have been wiser to accept the offer of a reduction to a non-moving violation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Well, this kind of dilemma is why our friends pay us the no-bucks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] [External Email] An HOV Violation question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am not a traffic law expert but I have one of these so I think I know what this is about. You can flip the pass from HOV to SOV. If you have 2 people in your car, then
you flip it to HOV mode. If not, then you keep it in SOV mode. All the camera does is “see” which mode your pass is in. If it is in HOV mode, then no toll. If it is in SOV mode, the you have to pay a toll.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I always wondered how you catch cheaters who drive in the HOV lane with the pass in HOV mode regardless of how many people are in the car. The only way (I think) is that a
trooper sees him as a SOV in the HOV lane and pulls him over. Then he checks his computer which showed that he had his pass flipped to HOV. Could have been inadvertent or it could have been his way of trying to drive in the HOV lane without paying the toll.
That’s my best guess as to what happened. Now how you get out of that, I don’t know!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [External Email] [WSBARP] An HOV Violation question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Hi, folks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Helping a friend address a traffic violation. The charge is for being in the HOV lane without additional passengers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;text-autospace:none">Something about the officer’s description raises a question: “<span style="font-family:MicrosoftSansSerif">OBSERVED DEFENDANT VEHICLE PASS UNDER TOLL CAMERA AND WHITE LIGHT ACTIVATED INDICATING
VEHICLE'S FLEX</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:MicrosoftSansSerif">PASS WAS IN HOV LANE MODE.</span>”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;text-autospace:none">I’m not sure how the toll/radar/camera system works, wondering if anybody has developed that info? Is the meaning of the officer’s statement that the toll camera/white light reads the flex pass
and determines the car is in the HOV lane, ie, that the white light is the proof that establishes he was in the lane (as opposed to the officer saying “I put my eyeballs in the direction of the car and saw that it was in the HOV lane?”)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">There isn’t much more information about that stop than that, other than the officer noting there was only the driver in the vehicle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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