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<p>It would really help to know the stretch of road you're talking
about, because there are different systems.</p>
<p>But the only one that seems to fit your description is the 405
"Express Toll Lanes" north of Bellevue, and as I mentioned
privately, you cannot get into or out of those lanes except at
certain locations.</p>
<p>But in any case, the sensors can tell what lane the car is in so
that they don't charge cars in the neighboring lanes. So for
example, on 167 they only charge vehicles in "toll mode" if they
are in the left HOV lane. That means it's doubtful they flash if
the car is not in the HOV lane.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2022 4:07 PM, Dave Culbertson
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Allen.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the reply. Yes, that fits with
what my friend described. I just spoke to Good-To-Go customer
service, and the meaning of “HOV Lane Mode” as far as I can
tell is that it informs the system you have a Good-To-Go pass
and therefore you get a discount on the posted fee—if the
signs say “$1.00”, you either pay 1.00 or even 0.00 if you are
on certain stretches of road (I-405, SR 167). Whereas if you
have no Good-To-Go pass or account, you’ll end up paying $3.00
if they mail you the toll to pay.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">IF that is all it means—then the officer
never established in his factual statements that the car was
in the HOV lane. If that’s the case….there is insufficient
evidence of the violation, ticket should be dismissed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So my gnawing doubt—customer service simply
didn’t know enough to say whether the white light
<u>also means</u> the car is in the HOV lane. So the judge
might say “I’m taking judicial notice that the white light
only flashes when a car is in the HOV lane….”. In which case
it would have been wiser to accept the offer of a reduction to
a non-moving violation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Well, this kind of dilemma is why our
friends pay us the no-bucks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">dc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dave:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
am not a traffic law expert but I have one of these so I
think I know what this is about. You can flip the pass from
HOV to SOV. If you have 2 people in your car, then you flip
it to HOV mode. If not, then you keep it in SOV mode. All
the camera does is “see” which mode your pass is in. If it
is in HOV mode, then no toll. If it is in SOV mode, the you
have to pay a toll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
always wondered how you catch cheaters who drive in the HOV
lane with the pass in HOV mode regardless of how many people
are in the car. The only way (I think) is that a trooper
sees him as a SOV in the HOV lane and pulls him over. Then
he checks his computer which showed that he had his pass
flipped to HOV. Could have been inadvertent or it could
have been his way of trying to drive in the HOV lane without
paying the toll. That’s my best guess as to what happened.
Now how you get out of that, I don’t know!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Culbertson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 31, 2022 2:53 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [External Email] [WSBARP] An HOV
Violation question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Hi, folks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Helping a
friend address a traffic violation. The charge is for being
in the HOV lane without additional passengers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0in;text-autospace:none">Something
about the officer’s description raises a question: “<span
style="font-family:"MicrosoftSansSerif",sans-serif">OBSERVED
DEFENDANT VEHICLE PASS UNDER TOLL CAMERA AND WHITE LIGHT
ACTIVATED INDICATING VEHICLE'S FLEX<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0in;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-family:"MicrosoftSansSerif",sans-serif">PASS
WAS IN HOV LANE MODE.</span>”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0in;text-autospace:none"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:0in;text-autospace:none">I’m not sure
how the toll/radar/camera system works, wondering if anybody
has developed that info? Is the meaning of the officer’s
statement that the toll camera/white light reads the flex
pass and determines the car is in the HOV lane, ie, that the
white light is the proof that establishes he was in the lane
(as opposed to the officer saying “I put my eyeballs in the
direction of the car and saw that it was in the HOV lane?”)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">There isn’t
much more information about that stop than that, other than
the officer noting there was only the driver in the vehicle.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in">Dave Culbertson<o:p></o:p></p>
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