<div dir="ltr">There are no surviving minor children or a spouse so the award in lieu of homestead/basic award protections do not apply.<div><br></div><div>The argument that it is no longer a homestead would make sense but the creditor claim statutes RCW 11.40.130 states that "i<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">f a judgment was entered against the decedent during the decedent's lifetime, an execution may not issue on the judgment after the death of the decedent. </span><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">The judgment must be presented in the manner provided in RCW </b><a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.40.070" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-s1" style="color:rgb(220,161,13)"><b>11.40.070</b></span></a><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">, but if the judgment is a lien on any property of the decedent, the property may be sold for the satisfaction of the judgment and the officer making the sale shall account to the personal representative for any surplus."</b></div>
<div><br></div><div>FYI, the not completely unexpected response from the title company to my argument that several of the judgments were not perfected liens and therefore had to submit timely claims was this:</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><i><u><span style="color:rgb(68,114,196)">Underwriter
response</span></u></i><span style="color:rgb(68,114,196)">:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(68,114,196)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(68,114,196)">“Our stance
is that a filed judgment attaches to all assets without the necessity of being
recorded. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(68,114,196)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(68,114,196)">Since all
the judgments were perfected they are liens until they are paid or expire by
time being ten years.”</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(68,114,196)"></span></p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 5:52 AM Kary Krismer <<a href="mailto:Krismer@comcast.net">Krismer@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>That's an interesting thought (death terminates the homestead).
My practice area was bankruptcy, and there the status of the date
of filing bankruptcy was important. Not sure if probate courts
follow similar rules, or even if they determine secured and
unsecured claims.</p>
<p>But there is the award in lieu of homestead, or whatever it is
called now. I would question how that factors in against judgment
creditors, recorded or otherwise. If the homestead does terminate
on death maybe something remains in the form of the beneficiary
homestead rights. Something for the OP to look at.<br>
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<pre cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
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<div>On 9/29/2022 10:00 AM, Mark Anderson
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">So,
here’s a thought. PR is trying to sell the
<u>former</u> homestead. Now dead, the owner does not use
the property as a residence. The homestead no longer
exists.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">In
my current view (subject to counterarguments), the judgment
liens attach to the whole of the property upon the owner’s
death, so long as the requirements of RCW 4.56.190-200 have
been met.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Question about when judgments
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I
am dealing with my first probate estate where the decedent
had outstanding judgments. The PR is trying to sell the
former homestead and the title company has found 4
judgments they say must be paid before the sale. The sale
price exceeds the homestead exemption for the county and
all the judgments together are less than that excess
value. I'm trying to confirm the PR actually must pay off
these debts based on the current status of the judgments,
whether creditor claims are filed or not.</span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Are
all of the following judgments liens against the homestead
property? I am looking at RCW 6.13.090 (not sure if RCW
4.56.200 applies to the homestead).</span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">One
judgment was entered in the superior court of the county
where the real estate is located. I think RCW 6.13.090
requires this to be filed with the county recording
officer so I don't think it is a lien on the homestead.</span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">One
judgment was entered in the District Court of the county
where the real property is located and that judgment was
then filed with the county recording officer of the same
county. I think RCW 6.13.090 says this one is a lien on
the homestead. </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Two
judgments were entered in the District Court of the county
where the real property is located. I think RCW
4.56.200(4) and (5) require them to be filed in the
superior court and RCW 6.13.090 requires them to be filed
with the county, so I don't think a lien has commenced.</span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As
a follow up question, if there is a lien, does the
creditor have to file a creditor claim? I think the answer
is no, but RCW 11.40.130 is not completely clear.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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