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    <p>Personal knowledge has nothing to do with the right to an
      exemption from Form 17 and there is a "don't know" answer still
      (despite the mis-directed efforts of a state Legislator).  I was
      the trustee on a sale of a house and had a lot of personal
      knowledge since I saw my father build it and lived in it for a
      time.  Given my mother's failing memory I probably had better
      knowledge of the house than she did in her later years.<br>
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    <p>Banks typically have no personal knowledge and are not exempt. 
      Only PR's and bankruptcy trustees are exempt.</p>
    <p>But to the OP's question--a lot of real estate brokers do not
      understand the exemption, so it's quite common to see an improper
      exemption claimed.  That probably benefits the buyer where the
      trustee in fact has little or no knowledge, because it gives them
      an out before closing.<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
206 723-2148</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2022 6:51 PM, John J. Sullivan,
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I agree that Successor Trustees of
          revocable trusts administering them following the death of the
          Grantors should be exempt for the same reason as PRs – they
          lack the knowledge the owner had while alive.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">John J. Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              </b>Roy D. Pyatt<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:17 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv
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              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Is trustee administering
              trust after grantor's death exempt from real property
              disclosure statement<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’ve always
            taken the same position as Eric on this and required
            trustees to provide the disclosure. It would be nice to see
            the legislature amend the statute so that successor trustees
            filling the equivalent position of PR get exempted.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <strong><span
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                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Is trustee administering
                trust after grantor's death exempt from real property
                disclosure statement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">My position has
            been that the statute does <b><i>not</i></b> exempt
            Trustees from the property condition disclosure, the way it
            does the PR of an Estate. I can’t think of any case holding
            one way or the other, though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kate Love<br>
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                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Is trustee administering
                trust after grantor's death exempt from real property
                disclosure statement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Is trustee administering trust
              after grantor's death exempt from real property disclosure
              statement <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Client
                is trustee of decedent’s revocable living trust and is
                selling the decedent’s houses.  On the listing documents
                the Realtor checked the EXEMPT box next to SELLER
                DISCLOSURE.  RCW 64.06.010(6) provides that a personal
                representative of the estate of the decedent or a
                trustee in bankruptcy do not have to complete the seller
                disclosure statement that is otherwise required but I
                don’t see an exemption for any other type of trustee. 
                Am I missing something? </span><span
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
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            <p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sincerely,<br>
                Jon M. Fritzler<br>
                Attorney at Law<br>
                717 E. 22<sup>nd</sup> St.<br>
                Vancouver, WA 98663<br>
                Tel. 360.818.4431<br>
                Eml <a href="mailto:fritzlerlaw@outlook.com"
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                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">fritzlerlaw@outlook.com</a></span><span
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