<div dir="ltr">I really like Jennifer White's idea. Just make it a right to inspect that's not waivable by PSA so it doesn't make the lack of inspection more tempting for either party. I also like the idea of getting rid of the term "actual" in the "actual knowledge" requirement. <br><p class="ri_default_signature"><i>Sent with <a href="https://www.rightinbox.com/?utm_source=signature" style="color:#a0d469">Right Inbox</a></i></p><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:37 PM Catherine Clark <<a href="mailto:Cat@loccc.com">Cat@loccc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are those who believe that waiving an inspection obviates Visser because one would not have notice of the defect. There is, of course, a waiver argument to contend with.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>I like the concept as long as there were some penalty for the buyer abusing the process, perhaps similar to the statewide form's waiver of inspection contingency provisions. I don't expect to see that out of the legislature though.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/13/2022 12:55 PM, Jennifer L White wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why don’t they simply legislate a buyer’s right to inspect following execution of a PSA (pick a # of days) that cannot be waived? Some will use it, some will not. Every potential buyer has the opportunity to do it. It seems to me that would
level the playing field of agents/sellers not accepting bids with inspection contingencies.
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<p>Maybe reasonable knowledge? Someone raised the point of not remembering what was in a title report they last saw 20 years ago when they bought. Although I'd question the need for any question that is answered on a preliminary commitment, like the covenants
question.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>But again, I'm not really focusing on the liability aspects of Form 17 and that relationship to Alejandre v. Bull, etc, nor if I were going to change those line of cases would I restore negligent misrepresentation. It would just be the actual fraud or fraudulent
misrepresentation, and I'm not so sure I agree with that change because a weak claim of fraud would prevent summary judgment. I don't mind putting a great deal of due diligence on buyers, I just wish more sellers and agents would allow that by accepting offers
with inspection contingencies. The combined harm of contracts without inspection contingencies is probably far greater than the combined harm from provable fraudulent activity.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think if we remove the term “actual” and restore negligent misrepresentation as a claim, that would solve the issue you raise. Yes or no?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">If you remove the seller knowledge requirements it would be impossible to answer “yes” or “no” to the following questions of the residential form.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Any of the defect questions because there may be defects the seller has not learned of. Actually that is almost certain, most sellers learn a lot
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">1C—Encroachments and boundary disputes. The seller would need to somehow know what their neighbors think.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">1E—Easements that affect the buyer’s use (since the seller wouldn’t know the buyer’s use).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">1G—Studies that might affect the property. Any number of government agencies could have done studies on the area that might somehow affect the property.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">3D—Septic questions about original permitting and possibly even pumping or inspection if the seller didn’t do those. Also number of bathrooms if
that wasn’t specified back when the septic was put in.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">4B—Has the basement flooded if there is no basement.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">4C—Permits if the remodeling was done by a prior owner.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">4G—Prior inspections since there is no date limitation and would include prior ownership periods.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">4J—Basement insulation if there is no basement.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">5C—Woodstove certifications if the seller wasn’t the purchaser.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">7B—Does the property contain fill dirt. If the seller wasn’t around when the property was developed there is no way of knowing that.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">7E—Hazardous substances. That would require extensive testing.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">7F—Has the property been used for commercial or industrial purposes. That would require knowledge back to territorial times.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">7G—Soil or groundwater contamination. That would require testing and the contamination could be from other properties and totally unknown.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">7I—Illegal dumping. That could require knowledge prior to the seller’s ownership.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">7J—Drug manufacturing site. That could require knowledge prior to the seller’s ownership.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">9B—Did prior owners make any modifications to a Manufactured Home. That would require knowledge prior to seller’s ownership.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">9C—Were permits obtained for those modifications. Same problem.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<pre>Kary L. Krismer<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>John L. Scott, Inc.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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