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<p class="paragraph" id="pa19" style="box-sizing: border-box;
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1rem;">This is the law as I
understand it for property purchased after marriage (not a gift
or inheritance) based on two "oldie but goodies" cases:</p>
<p class="paragraph" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top:
0px; margin-bottom: 1rem;">"<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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!important; float: none;"><span> </span>Therefore, in any
controversy, the deed </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
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medium; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">standing alone and uncontradicted by
any evidence, affords </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size:
medium; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
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!important; float: none;">what amounts to a conclusive
presumption that its</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Times New
Roman"; font-size: medium; font-style: normal;
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
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float: none;">subject-matter is common property. But the
assertion of an </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">exception merely requires the
production of proof either </span><span style="color: rgb(0,
0, 0); font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size:
medium; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">that the conveyance was in fact a
lawful gift, or that the </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size:
medium; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">consideration was furnished by
husband or wife individually </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Times New Roman";
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normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">out of funds or property which he or
she was entitled, under </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size:
medium; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">the law, to hold as separate
property. Whatever satisfies </span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Times New Roman";
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normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">the court or jury of the truth of
one or the other of these </span><span style="color: rgb(0,
0, 0); font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size:
medium; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
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normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
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!important; float: none;">probative facts, will authorize the
finding of the ultimate</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Times New
Roman"; font-size: medium; font-style: normal;
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float: none;">fact that the subject of the conveyance was
separate and not </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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!important; float: none;">common property, and thus the
presumption will be overcome."</span></p>
<p class="paragraph" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top:
0px; margin-bottom: 1rem;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: medium;
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normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
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!important; float: none;">Yesler v. Hochstettler, 4 Wash. 349
(1892)</span></p>
"Under our somewhat perplexing statutes relating to the
acquisition of property, title to real property taken in the name
of one of the spouses may be the separate property of the spouse
taking the title, the separate property of the other spouse, or
the community property of both of the spouses, owing to the source
from which the fund is derived which is used in paying the
purchase price of the property. If the fund is derived from the
separate property of one of the spouses, the property purchased is
the separate property of that<span> </span><span id="p521"
style="box-sizing: border-box;"></span>spouse; if it is derived
from the community property of both the spouses, it is the
community property of both of them.</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:
left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
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<p class="paragraph" id="pa20" style="box-sizing: border-box;
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1rem;">The instances in which we
have held that property purchased from the separate funds of one
of the spouses and title taken in the name of the spouse
furnishing the funds is the separate property of that spouse,
and the instances in which we have held that property purchased
with community funds is the property of the community,
notwithstanding the title may have been taken in the name of one
of the spouses, are too numerous to admit of citation here."</p>
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<p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom:
1rem; color: rgb(33, 37, 41); font-family: "IBM Plex
Sans", "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness:
initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial;"><i style="box-sizing: border-box;">Merritt v. Newkirk</i>,
155 Wn. 517, 520-21 (Wash. 1930)</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
206 723-2148</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2022 12:15 PM, Kary Krismer
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:caaa14e4-1029-e9f7-8239-534eb8dafbd1@comcast.net">The
issue I would have is would Washington consider the Oregon stock
to be separate property AFTER the couple moves to Washington IF
both spouses work in the corporate business AND IF they don't take
an adequate salary for their efforts? It's a conflict of law
question I don't remember the answer to, but I think Washington
might consider that stock CP on the right facts even though the
corporation is based on Oregon (basically apply Washington law).
That this is a question of the ownership of real property in
Washington would be another reason for the court to apply
Washington law.
<br>
<br>
If the stock were SP when the Washington real property was
purchased I don't see any reason why the real property wouldn't
have been SP at that time. But if the status of that stock could
have changed over time after moving to Washington, I don't see any
reason the real property wouldn't change in status up to the point
it was transferred into the husband's name.
<br>
<br>
Couldn't this all be dealt with by a QCD from H&W to H as
separate property right before transfer into the trust? Would W
need separate counsel prior to signing that deed?
<br>
<br>
Kary L. Krismer
<br>
206 723-2148
<br>
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On 1/26/2022 10:25 AM, Douglas Owens wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Dear Listmates, I ask for your views on
these questions: H and W are Oregon residents, H owns all shares
in an Oregon corporation that is in the construction business,
corporation acquires real property in Washington which is
financed with first and second mortgages, then spouses move to
Washington, live in the house on the real property and the
corporation transfers title to H “a married man” as a transfer
exempt from REET as a mere change in form of ownership. Is this
property now community property? H and W want to transfer into
a trust which is not structured as a community property owning
entity but it can be reformed. Does H need formally to convey
to the community before transferring into the trust? Thank you
for your help. Yours truly. Doug Owens
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