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    <p>Maybe reasonable knowledge?  Someone raised the point of not
      remembering what was in a title report they last saw 20 years ago
      when they bought.  Although I'd question the need for any question
      that is answered on a preliminary commitment, like the covenants
      question.</p>
    <p>But again, I'm not really focusing on the liability aspects of
      Form 17 and that relationship to Alejandre v. Bull, etc, nor if I
      were going to change those line of cases would I restore negligent
      misrepresentation.  It would just be the actual fraud or
      fraudulent misrepresentation, and I'm not so sure I agree with
      that change because a weak claim of fraud would prevent summary
      judgment.  I don't mind putting a great deal of due diligence on
      buyers, I just wish more sellers and agents would allow that by
      accepting offers with inspection contingencies.  The combined harm
      of contracts without inspection contingencies is probably far
      greater than the combined harm from provable fraudulent activity.<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
John L. Scott, Inc.
206 723-2148</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2022 12:06 PM, Catherine Clark
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I think if we remove the term “actual” and
          restore negligent misrepresentation as a claim, that would
          solve the issue you raise.  Yes or no?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate
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              Law Office of Catherine C. Clark PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate
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              Prefontaine Place South, Ste. 304</span><span
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate
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              98104</span><span
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              Cell: (206) 409-8938<br>
              Email: <a href="mailto:cat@loccc.com"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
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              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:16 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] HR 1951--Amendment to Seller
              Disclosure Statement<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">If you remove the seller knowledge
            requirements it would be impossible to answer “yes” or “no”
            to the following questions of the residential form.<br>
            <br>
          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">Any of the defect questions because
            there may be defects the seller has not learned of. 
            Actually that is almost certain, most sellers learn a lot
            when they see an inspection report on their own property. <br>
            <br>
          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">1C—Encroachments and boundary
            disputes.  The seller would need to somehow know what their
            neighbors think.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">1E—Easements that affect the
            buyer’s use (since the seller wouldn’t know the buyer’s
            use).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">1G—Studies that might affect the
            property.  Any number of government agencies could have done
            studies on the area that might somehow affect the property. 
            Even periodic zoning processes might trigger that.<br>
            <br>
          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">3D—Septic questions about original
            permitting and possibly even pumping or inspection if the
            seller didn’t do those.  Also number of bathrooms if that
            wasn’t specified back when the septic was put in.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">4B—Has the basement flooded if
            there is no basement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">4C—Permits if the remodeling was
            done by a prior owner.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">4G—Prior inspections since there is
            no date limitation and would include prior ownership
            periods.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">4J—Basement insulation if there is
            no basement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">5C—Woodstove certifications if the
            seller wasn’t the purchaser.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">7B—Does the property contain fill
            dirt.  If the seller wasn’t around when the property was
            developed there is no way of knowing that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">7E—Hazardous substances.  That
            would require extensive testing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">7F—Has the property been used for
            commercial or industrial purposes.  That would require
            knowledge back to territorial times.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">7G—Soil or groundwater
            contamination.  That would require testing and the
            contamination could be from other properties and totally
            unknown.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">7I—Illegal dumping.  That could
            require knowledge prior to the seller’s ownership.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">7J—Drug manufacturing site.  That
            could require knowledge prior to the seller’s ownership.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">9B—Did prior owners make any
            modifications to a Manufactured Home.  That would require
            knowledge prior to seller’s ownership.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt">9C—Were permits obtained for those
            modifications.  Same problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>John L. Scott, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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