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<p>Maybe reasonable knowledge? Someone raised the point of not
remembering what was in a title report they last saw 20 years ago
when they bought. Although I'd question the need for any question
that is answered on a preliminary commitment, like the covenants
question.</p>
<p>But again, I'm not really focusing on the liability aspects of
Form 17 and that relationship to Alejandre v. Bull, etc, nor if I
were going to change those line of cases would I restore negligent
misrepresentation. It would just be the actual fraud or
fraudulent misrepresentation, and I'm not so sure I agree with
that change because a weak claim of fraud would prevent summary
judgment. I don't mind putting a great deal of due diligence on
buyers, I just wish more sellers and agents would allow that by
accepting offers with inspection contingencies. The combined harm
of contracts without inspection contingencies is probably far
greater than the combined harm from provable fraudulent activity.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
John L. Scott, Inc.
206 723-2148</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2022 12:06 PM, Catherine Clark
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think if we remove the term “actual” and
restore negligent misrepresentation as a claim, that would
solve the issue you raise. Yes or no?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] HR 1951--Amendment to Seller
Disclosure Statement<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">If you remove the seller knowledge
requirements it would be impossible to answer “yes” or “no”
to the following questions of the residential form.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Any of the defect questions because
there may be defects the seller has not learned of.
Actually that is almost certain, most sellers learn a lot
when they see an inspection report on their own property. <br>
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</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">1C—Encroachments and boundary
disputes. The seller would need to somehow know what their
neighbors think.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">1E—Easements that affect the
buyer’s use (since the seller wouldn’t know the buyer’s
use).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">1G—Studies that might affect the
property. Any number of government agencies could have done
studies on the area that might somehow affect the property.
Even periodic zoning processes might trigger that.<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">3D—Septic questions about original
permitting and possibly even pumping or inspection if the
seller didn’t do those. Also number of bathrooms if that
wasn’t specified back when the septic was put in.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">4B—Has the basement flooded if
there is no basement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">4C—Permits if the remodeling was
done by a prior owner.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">4G—Prior inspections since there is
no date limitation and would include prior ownership
periods.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">4J—Basement insulation if there is
no basement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">5C—Woodstove certifications if the
seller wasn’t the purchaser.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">7B—Does the property contain fill
dirt. If the seller wasn’t around when the property was
developed there is no way of knowing that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">7E—Hazardous substances. That
would require extensive testing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">7F—Has the property been used for
commercial or industrial purposes. That would require
knowledge back to territorial times.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">7G—Soil or groundwater
contamination. That would require testing and the
contamination could be from other properties and totally
unknown.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">7I—Illegal dumping. That could
require knowledge prior to the seller’s ownership.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">7J—Drug manufacturing site. That
could require knowledge prior to the seller’s ownership.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">9B—Did prior owners make any
modifications to a Manufactured Home. That would require
knowledge prior to seller’s ownership.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">9C—Were permits obtained for those
modifications. Same problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>John L. Scott, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre>
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