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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#339999" vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>I am not an accountant, but I’ve always assumed that personal representatives should technically be claiming their PR fees as self-employment income, and paying self-employment tax on it, which further supports a higher rate. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mimi M. Wagner <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Attorney at Law<br><a href="mailto:mimi@sanjuanlaw.com"><span style='color:blue'>mimi@sanjuanlaw.com</span></a><br>Phone (360) 378-6234<br>Fax (360) 378-6244<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.sanjuanlaw.com/"><span lang=EN style='color:blue'>www.sanjuanlaw.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>scott@scottgthomaslaw.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 3, 2021 11:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Personal Representative Fee<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Starting wage at Dick’s Drive In in Seattle is $19/hour + childcare assistance + health and dental insurance. A Deluxe is still $4.35.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 3, 2021 8:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Personal Representative Fee<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>25 for mundane work is more reasonable. Minimum wage in king county and soon to be everywhere is $15. Starters at some big companies is 17 or 18.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Sky Valley Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>For incoming mail: Box 351, Sultan 98294<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>For in person visits: 423 Main, Sultan, WA 98294<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Or other places to be arranged<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>206 367 5000<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>360 799 6438<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Fax: 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John J. Sullivan<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 3, 2021 8:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Personal Representative Fee<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Kary. I have been recommending $25 - $50 for fiduciary time, and maybe $15 for things like cleaning out the garage for a very long time. I’ve been thinking in King County I need to significantly raise that, especially giving current inflationary trends. <span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>John J. Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov 3, 2021, at 7:55 AM, Kary Krismer <<a href="mailto:Krismer@comcast.net">Krismer@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span> <o:p></o:p></p><p>I find the rates discussed here shockingly low. Are the commissioner/judges that tight? For run of the mill decisions I could see a low rate of $25 an hour, but for tax or accounting work seemingly $75 an hour would not be enough. Seemingly fact gathering or document review should be at whatever the firm's paralegal would be charged out at for doing the same work, and although I don't know current rates I suspect that's more than $75 an hour at most/many places.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I didn't charge when I was PR of my mom's estate. I guess I wasn't being as generous as I thought.<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11/2/2021 3:12 PM, Nicholas Pleasants wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><img border=0 width=200 height=200 style='width:2.0833in;height:2.0833in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image001.gif@01D7D0B9.7726AEF0"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>I’ve seen as high as $75/hr approved for a PR that was doing accounting/tax work himself, but that amount was rather shocking. I think $25-$50/hr is more in the normal range, and as Inge said, it should correspond with what the task was. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2B6AA4'>Nicholas Pleasants</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2B6AA4'>Owner</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2B6AA4'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.pleasantslaw.com/"><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2B6AA4;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=144 height=44 style='width:1.5in;height:.4583in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:/Users/pleasantsn/Library/Containers/com.microsoft.Outlook/Data/Library/Caches/Signatures/signature_1940424872" alt="(Logo) Pleasants Law Firm"></span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Pleasants Law Firm, P.S.<br>2300 130th Ave NE, Suite A-101<br>Bellevue, WA 98005-1755<br>(425) 615-7070 tel/fax<br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6'><a href="mailto:nick@pleasantslaw.com"><span style='color:#2E75B6'>nick@pleasantslaw.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6'><a href="http://www.pleasantslaw.com"><span style='color:#2E75B6'>www.pleasantslaw.com</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. 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I’ve been generally advising $20-$30/hr. depending on what the PR had to do to administer the estate.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=60 valign=top style='width:45.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times'><img border=0 width=96 height=95 style='width:1.0in;height:.9895in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.png@01D7D0B9.B16F7D80" alt="uc%3fexport=download&id=1W3rEcChy0_E0cCfV5up02mkhwnL6eWIs&revid=0B4P5JoIHdbFaR29EbHlRWHFseFV5STZpSUVGeUNPWldkVDFVPQ"></span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=570 valign=top style='width:427.25pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#203864'>Inge A. Fordham | Attorney</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Cambria",serif'>Fordham Law, PLLC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Cambria",serif'>3218 Sixth Avenue | Tacoma, WA 98406</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Cambria",serif'>Office: (253) 348-2657 | Mobile: (206) 778-3131</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Cambria",serif'><a href="http://www.fordhamlegal.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.fordhamlegal.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#7D888E'>Confidential Communication:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#7D888E'> This email is sent to a recipient on behalf of an attorney/law firm, and is information intended exclusively for the individual, entity or company to which it is sent. 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West, Jr. </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#05F572'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#02A06B'>WEST LAW OFFICES, P.S.</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#02A06B'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Attorneys at Law <br>332 1st Street NE <br>Auburn WA 98002 <br>Telephone: 253-351-9000 <br>Facsimile: 253-833-5322 <br></span><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:blue'>E-mail: <a href="mailto:rwest@westlawoffices.com"><span style='text-decoration:none'>rwest@westlawoffices.com</span></a> <br>Website: <a href="http://www.westlawoffices.com/"><span style='text-decoration:none'>www.WestLawOffices.com</span></a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre>***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and others.***<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>WSBARP mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:WSBARP@lists.wsbarppt.com">WSBARP@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and others.***<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>WSBARP mailing list<br><a href="mailto:WSBARP@lists.wsbarppt.com">WSBARP@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>