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<p class="MsoNormal">Insight from family law attorneys is valuable. To be clear, do you believe it’s sufficient to execute a QCD with language that H & W convey their interest
<u>and any after acquired interest</u> in the property and also enter into a property agreement stating that the real property is the separate property of, and should remain with, W? My understanding is that a property agreement would require H to obtain separate
advice of counsel. If H declines to seek advice of counsel and executes a property agreement stating that he declined separate representation, would that pass muster?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Stephen Brandli <steve@brandlilaw.com><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a family law attorney, I disagree in that I would not bank on that. A deed is not really the proper way to prevent community liens on real estate. That really should be done by a property agreement, with its requirements of procedural
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, I wonder if a title company would insure based on an older qcd executed during the marriage?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">That should do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kevin raises a good point. Would including language that H & W convey their interest
<u>and any after acquired interest</u> in the property to W solve that problem?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But that would not solve issues arising from future use of community property (H&W earnings) to pay mortgage, property taxes, maintenance, and/or improvements, would it??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ah, your responses raise interesting questions. I feel the proper way to handle this is H & W to W as her separate property. But I will include a paragraph on how I only represent one party and the other has had the opportunity to have
their lawyer review and approve it. Thank you for your help.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>This is not the issue you're focusing on, but I've always wondered how such deeds could be effective, except perhaps as against a future BFP. If spouses need independent counsel for an effective separate property agreement, why not for a deed too? Particularly
in a non-purchase transaction if the house is the only significant asset owned by the couple.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kary L. Krismer <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/29/2021 10:24 AM, John J. Sullivan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My only question is what about the wife’s interest? After the H deeds his to her as SP, is her share also SP or still CP? There’s no reason why a property titled solely in one spouse cannot be CP.
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is how I do it Jeff, from H to W with an after acquired title provision. This leaves W as the sole owner and thus free of any community interest. Hopefully that is right....
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">On the blog: <a href="https://www.fsbolawyers.org/blog/tenants-in-common-agreement" target="_blank">
Co-Ownership of Real Property by Single People</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:53 AM <<a href="mailto:Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com">Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">H & W hold title to their home as husband and wife. They now want to make the house the wife’s separate property. My understanding is the QCD would be from H & W to W to create
separate property. However, in looking at WAC 458-61A-203 it talks about transfers from one spouse to the other that establish separate property. I know this is a real estate excise tax exemption WAC but it raises the question do I just need the H to quit
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