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<div> Regarding your 60 versus 90 day issue. I had a similar situation. The court rule that the service of the notice was proper and effective, but was deemed amended by the statute, and therefore continued the hearing one month. Knowing how judges are stuck trying to interpret this stuff, I thought it was a good pragmatic result. The NW Justice project argued the notice and the entire UD action were ineffective. </div>
<div> Interestingly to me, there is the thought that the new statutes overrode the earlier proclamations, but then the bridge proclamation overrules the statutes. That seems inconsistent to me. </div>
<div> What we are telling people is, find a reason other than the payment of rent to terminate the tenancy. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Mom signs deeds (prepared by an attorney, no less) that state that Mom, as trustee of the Mom Trust, quitclaims real property to Mom, as manager of the Mom LLC. HUH?!?!?!? Ok, the Mom LLC is properly formed with Mom as manager but Mom does not hold any LLC units. Mom is elderly and the family wants to take advantage of the step-up in basis for the real property. My conclusion is that the deeds are erroneous because the LLC is a legal entity and can take ownership in the real properties outright. The deeds should not have said to Mom as manager of the Mom LLC but simply to the Mom LLC directly. And my quick research indicates that a member in a LLC does get a step up in basis but only to the extent of that one member (and surviving spouse) BUT, remember, Mom is only the manager and not a beneficial member of the LLC.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So, the family and Mom wants the real property cleanly BACK into the Mom Trust. Should the family: 1) do nothing because the deeds from Mom as trustee to Mom as manager of the LLC will have no legal impact (seems risky, maybe a court will say the deeds are wrong but the default is that MOM holds the property outright) OR 2) record deeds from Mom as manager of the LLC to Mom as Trustee of the Mom Trust? If we record new deeds, what exemption is there for the real estate excise tax? Correction deed? Gift deed? Say we are only unringing the bell?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Aug 12, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Kaitlyn Jackson <<a ymailto="mailto:kaitlyn@dimensionlaw.com" href="mailto:kaitlyn@dimensionlaw.com">kaitlyn@dimensionlaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">? 1. Re: City of Seattle v Long - No Longer Able to Tow??? Vehicles<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] City of Seattle v Long - No Longer Able to Tow<br>
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<div dir="ltr">??? Vehicles??? Occupied by Homeless?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Yep, if they tow it they will have to be a custodian of it too ; so can't tow it to the next county - maybe they could if they transport the owner there and have them sign a waiver , release?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] City of Seattle v Long - No Longer Able to Tow Vehicles Occupied by Homeless?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It strikes me that this ruling will prevent municipalities from towing any abandoned vehicle for fear of someone claiming it was their homestead?? Am I reading too much into this?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">How about private owners being able to exercise right of private tow on their own properties for fear of a claim of a homestead exemption?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Aug. 12, 2021 - 98824-2 - City of Seattle v. Long<br>
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<div dir="ltr">?Simply? put,? the? homestead act was? intended to provide? shelter? for? families.? Macumber v.? Shafer,? 96 Wn.2d 568,? 570,? 637 P.2d? 645 (1981)? (citing? Clark? v. Davis,? 37? Wn.2d? 850,? 226 P.2d 904 (1951)).? The? act? bars the? city? from? towing a vehicle? that is? occupied as a? primary? residence? and from? forcing an? individual to agree? to a? payment plan to prevent that vehicle? from? being? sold at a? public? auction.? With these? observations,? I? respectfully? concur.?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] City of Seattle v Long - No Longer Able to Tow<br>
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<div dir="ltr">??? Vehicles Occupied by Homeless?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] City of Seattle v Long - No Longer Able to Tow Vehicles Occupied by Homeless?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is unbelievable. The implications go far beyond just a vehicle, right?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Aug 12, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Rob Rowley <<a ymailto="mailto:rob@rowleylegal.com" href="mailto:rob@rowleylegal.com">rob@rowleylegal.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:rob@rowleylegal.com" href="mailto:rob@rowleylegal.com">rob@rowleylegal.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">How about private owners being able to exercise right of private tow on their own properties for fear of a claim of a homestead exemption?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Peter Crocker <<a ymailto="mailto:peterecrocker@gmail.com" href="mailto:peterecrocker@gmail.com">peterecrocker@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">??? <<a ymailto="mailto:CAOx53QgwK2LArhrBHjC9FQRjFwhRKrXtSOXZupEpkjZN_nX59w@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:CAOx53QgwK2LArhrBHjC9FQRjFwhRKrXtSOXZupEpkjZN_nX59w@mail.gmail.com">CAOx53QgwK2LArhrBHjC9FQRjFwhRKrXtSOXZupEpkjZN_nX59w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'd think about the duty of good faith and fair dealing, for sure, because<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> On 8/12/2021 7:45 AM, Gabriel Dietz wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> Good Morning Listmates,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> This is a somewhat new situation to me but may be routine practice for<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> cost plus construction contract for a contractor to do a relatively small<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> job. The contract had an estimated price written in. Contractor's invoice<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> was five times the estimate. During the job there were some discussions<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:20BE642F-4228-4DB7-B899-C10DAB88A4C0@wirelesscounsel.com" href="mailto:20BE642F-4228-4DB7-B899-C10DAB88A4C0@wirelesscounsel.com">20BE642F-4228-4DB7-B899-C10DAB88A4C0@wirelesscounsel.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Is anyone aware of community or attorney resources to help pursue an SSDI claim for someone who is unable to continue working due to mental health issues?? PC can?t afford to pay an attorney to handle an SSDI claim and needs help at little or no cost.? Thank you.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Sarah McCarthy <<a ymailto="mailto:sarah@kawlawyers.com" href="mailto:sarah@kawlawyers.com">sarah@kawlawyers.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Nicole Franklin at Anderson Hunter in Everett handles SSDI appeals. It's my<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:48 AM Rich Busch <<a ymailto="mailto:rich.busch@wirelesscounsel.com" href="mailto:rich.busch@wirelesscounsel.com">rich.busch@wirelesscounsel.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Timothy Lehr <<a ymailto="mailto:timothy@stileslaw.com" href="mailto:timothy@stileslaw.com">timothy@stileslaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:DM5PR22MB00740C0A12C6802BF7A8CD18A1F99@DM5PR22MB0074.namprd22.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:DM5PR22MB00740C0A12C6802BF7A8CD18A1F99@DM5PR22MB0074.namprd22.prod.outlook.com">DM5PR22MB00740C0A12C6802BF7A8CD18A1F99@DM5PR22MB0074.namprd22.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">LL served a 60 day notice of intent to sell on T before HB 1236 was signed into law. Normally I would have advised LL to supplement the notice to comply with the new 90 day requirement, but LL didn't come to see me until the 11th hour and a sale is set to close. Anyway, a complaint was filed based on T not vacating by the 60 days. The obvious question is whether HB 1236 retroactively applies to notices served under good law before it was enacted. HB 1236 does not expressly say it applies retroactively, as the legislature has does in the past with other statutes (RCW 49.62). I've also found a line of cases discussing when a statute or amendment to a statute applies retroactively.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The deed was certainly created amiss, but I don't think the LLC's intended interest can be ignored. If Mom and Mom's family want title back in the Trust I would think that a deed from Mom LLC to the Mom as Trustee of the Mom trust would be in order. Perhaps WAC 458-61A-211 (5) has the flexibility to fit your fact pattern.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Mom signs deeds (prepared by an attorney, no less) that state that Mom, as trustee of the Mom Trust, quitclaims real property to Mom, as manager of the Mom LLC. HUH?!?!?!? Ok, the Mom LLC is properly formed with Mom as manager but Mom does not hold any LLC units. Mom is elderly and the family wants to take advantage of the step-up in basis for the real property. My conclusion is that the deeds are erroneous because the LLC is a legal entity and can take ownership in the real properties outright. The deeds should not have said to Mom as manager of the Mom LLC but simply to the Mom LLC directly. And my quick research indicates that a member in a LLC does get a step up in basis but only to the extent of that one member (and surviving spouse) BUT, remember, Mom is only the manager and not a beneficial member of the LLC.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So, the family and Mom wants the real property cleanly BACK into the Mom Trust. Should the family: 1) do nothing because the deeds from Mom as trustee to Mom as manager of the LLC will have no legal impact (seems risky, maybe a court will say the deeds are wrong but the default is that MOM holds the property outright) OR 2) record deeds from Mom as manager of the LLC to Mom as Trustee of the Mom Trust? If we record new deeds, what exemption is there for the real estate excise tax? Correction deed? Gift deed? Say we are only unringing the bell?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Kaitlyn Jackson <<a ymailto="mailto:kaitlyn@dimensionlaw.com" href="mailto:kaitlyn@dimensionlaw.com">kaitlyn@dimensionlaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">that "applying Proclamation 20-19.4 here *does not affect the trial court?s<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 2:26 PM Timothy Lehr <<a ymailto="mailto:timothy@stileslaw.com" href="mailto:timothy@stileslaw.com">timothy@stileslaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Craig Gourley <<a ymailto="mailto:craig@glgmail.com" href="mailto:craig@glgmail.com">craig@glgmail.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:MW3PR12MB4362D24BD8D0244CA8FB2BC5AEFA9@MW3PR12MB4362.namprd12.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:MW3PR12MB4362D24BD8D0244CA8FB2BC5AEFA9@MW3PR12MB4362.namprd12.prod.outlook.com">MW3PR12MB4362D24BD8D0244CA8FB2BC5AEFA9@MW3PR12MB4362.namprd12.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Listmates While I am sure that different waterways have different rules ( navigable v. non navigable for example) is anyone familiar with any rule that says the state owns or has rights over 30 feet on each side on a non navigable stream? Client has neighbors claiming they can use 30 feet of his property adjoining the water for their drunken frolics as it is "state land". Never heard of that before. Anyone else?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Generally the state owns the bed of a navigable stream and the upland owner has riparian rights to the stream.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On a non-navigable stream the upland owner is presumed to have title to the thread of the stream and other owners have riparian rights to the stream.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I don't know of any general rule matching what the neighbors are claiming, but perhaps a look at your client's title policy would give some clarification.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I wonder whether the neighbor is confusing planning issues (set-backs, wetland rules etc.) with ownership issues.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Listmates While I am sure that different waterways have different rules ( navigable v. non navigable for example) is anyone familiar with any rule that says the state owns or has rights over 30 feet on each side on a non navigable stream? Client has neighbors claiming they can use 30 feet of his property adjoining the water for their drunken frolics as it is "state land". Never heard of that before. Anyone else?<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:MW3PR13MB4058BCC4F338004E46EF349EA9FA9@MW3PR13MB4058.namprd13.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:MW3PR13MB4058BCC4F338004E46EF349EA9FA9@MW3PR13MB4058.namprd13.prod.outlook.com">MW3PR13MB4058BCC4F338004E46EF349EA9FA9@MW3PR13MB4058.namprd13.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">My understanding is that if the stream was navigable on the date of statehood (11/11/1889) then the state owns the bed of the stream. If the stream is not navigable, the abutting uplands owners own the bed of the stream. There is no "30 foot" rule of state ownership that I have ever heard about, and no state ownership of a non-navigable stream. The partiers should probably be trespassed by law enforcement.<br>
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