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    <p>I would hope that the stepped up basis only goes away for estates
      which are not taxed, such as surviving spouse, because that makes
      some logical sense.  Unless maybe the estate tax becomes taxable
      based on the basis rather than the DOD value.<br>
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    <p>But as a practical matter, doing away with stepped up basis would
      be an administrative nightmare.  How do you determine the basis of
      an asset when the person who bought the asset is dead and records
      are not available?  Determining the value on a certain date is
      much easier.<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
206 723-2148</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2021 10:25 AM, Josh Grant
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          <div><font size="4">and there is a good chance that the step
              up in basis is going away.  So we should see what happens
              and then yes do the CLE</font></div>
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                <div><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR:
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                    O. Box 619<br>
                    Wilbur, WA 99185<br>
                    509 647 5578</span><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                <div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
                    title="michael@westseattleattorney.com"
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                    westseattleattorney.com</a> </div>
                <div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 11, 2021 7:39 AM</div>
                <div><b>To:</b> <a title="wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">'WSBA Real Property Listserv'</a>
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                <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Estate Tax Avoidance</div>
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            <div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New
              Roman", times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">Hi: How
              about a CLE as this seems to come up a lot and with the
              increases in equity and government trend to get it and
              reduce the tax exemptions/deductions, we all could use a
              course on use of such things as the A-B-C trusts, and
              other tools in this area. But I mean a good focused CLE
              using examples , hypos, form provisions and why. Just an
              idea ! Mike Atkins </div>
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              <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="FONT-SIZE:
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                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com></a> on behalf of
                  John J. Sullivan, Esq. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sullaw@comcast.net"><sullaw@comcast.net></a><br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 10, 2021 9:41 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Estate Tax Avoidance</font>
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
                    FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in">Keep
                    in mind that if you gift a capital asset while alive
                    (real estate or securities) the recipient does NOT
                    get a step up in basis at death. So gifting should
                    ideally be of cash.</p>
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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                    J. Sullivan</p>
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                        <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
                        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com></a> <b>On
                          Behalf Of </b>John J. Sullivan, Esq.<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 10, 2021 9:38 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'
                        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Estate Tax
                        Avoidance</p>
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
                    FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in">If
                    they are both citizens each enjoys a lifetime
                    exemption this year of $2.193M. So as long as you
                    design their wills/RLT to not waste the exemption of
                    the first decedent you are almost home. Also, WA has
                    no gift tax, so the second decedent can gift near
                    death. </p>
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
                    FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in">A TOD
                    deed most certainly does not remove the real
                    property from either estate and could make it
                    difficult to implement the common “disclaimer trust”
                    strategy for capturing the first decedent’s lifetime
                    exemption. Same with the financial assets. The gross
                    estate includes everything the decedent had control
                    of at the moment of death. </p>
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                  <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
                    FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; MARGIN: 0in">The
                    $30,000 figure? I’m guessing you mean the $15,000
                    annual exclusion for each of them to any one
                    recipient from federal gift taxes. So they can gift
                    up to $30,000.00 to any one recipient together
                    without filing a gift tax return. But again, there
                    is no WA gift tax. <br>
                    <br>
                    All they need is a standard plain vanilla disclaimer
                    trust design that QTIPs the credit shelter trust for
                    federal purposes to secure a second step up in
                    basis. Every married couple plan should be able to
                    shelter up to $4,386,000 without doing anything
                    fancy or aggressive. They’re only $214,000.00 over
                    the combined threshold. Consider having the survivor
                    make gifts as near as death as necessary to assure
                    not running out of funds.</p>
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                    coming to this late, so if anyone has already set
                    this out, I apologize for repeating.</p>
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                    J. Sullivan</p>
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                      <a moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Doran<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 10, 2021 12:45 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Estate Tax Avoidance</p>
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                          style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Married clients are
                          getting old.  They want to know what they can
                          do to shelter their assets from inheritance
                          tax here in Washington.  They have a home
                          worth $600,000.00 and financial assets of
                          roughly $4,000,000.00.  When we do the
                          calculations the inheritance tax would be
                          $301,050.00 upon the death of the second
                          spouse if they do not dispose of any of the
                          assets.  </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">We
                          need to shelter $2,407,000.00.  </span></p>
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                          style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">I have two questions
                          off the bat.  All this talk of Transfer on
                          Death Deeds makes me wonder if they do a TODD
                          will that keep the real property out of the
                          "estate" for purposes of the estate tax?  The
                          second question is if they make specific
                          beneficiaries for $2,407,000.00 worth of their
                          financial investments, will that keep that
                          amount out of the estate tax calculation?</span></p>
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                          style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">And I do know that as
                          a married couple they can gift $30,000 per
                          year per person, but they don't want to do
                          that for personal reasons.</span></p>
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                          style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">I am sure there are
                          other ways to do this.  Any ideas that are not
                          too complicated would be appreciated.</span></p>
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                          style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">I appreciate it.</span></p>
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