<div dir="ltr"><font size="4">I would attend. I like the idea. I got some very good responses to my question. However, some of the terms and devices are quite esoteric to the general practitioner. </font><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">I would add to the CLE a section on the best ways to protect our assets from the Medicaid spend down.</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">Now my soap box moment: Of course, we in the field know that universal health care is the answer. I call it "death with dignity" rather than hitting the elderly with a crisis on their deathbed. Elder abuse by the State. Talk about Orwellian Big Brother. Why isn't this topic running through the baby boom generation?<br clear="all"></font><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>James R. Doran<br></div>Attorney at Law<br></div>100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205<br></div>Bellingham, WA 98225<br>(360)393-9506<br></div><a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com" target="_blank">jim@doranlegal.com</a><br></div><a href="http://www.doranlegal.com" target="_blank">www.doranlegal.com</a><br></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 7:43 AM michael <a href="http://westseattleattorney.com">westseattleattorney.com</a> <<a href="mailto:michael@westseattleattorney.com">michael@westseattleattorney.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Hi: How about a CLE as this seems to come up a lot and with the increases in equity and government trend to get it and reduce the tax exemptions/deductions, we all could use a course on use of such things as the A-B-C trusts, and other tools in this area. But
I mean a good focused CLE using examples , hypos, form provisions and why. Just an idea ! Mike Atkins </div>
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Keep in mind that if you gift a capital asset while alive (real estate or securities) the recipient does NOT get a step up in basis at death. So gifting should ideally be of cash.</p>
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If they are both citizens each enjoys a lifetime exemption this year of $2.193M. So as long as you design their wills/RLT to not waste the exemption of the first decedent you are almost home. Also, WA has no gift tax, so the second decedent can gift near death.
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A TOD deed most certainly does not remove the real property from either estate and could make it difficult to implement the common “disclaimer trust” strategy for capturing the first decedent’s lifetime exemption. Same with the financial assets. The gross estate
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The $30,000 figure? I’m guessing you mean the $15,000 annual exclusion for each of them to any one recipient from federal gift taxes. So they can gift up to $30,000.00 to any one recipient together without filing a gift tax return. But again, there is no WA
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All they need is a standard plain vanilla disclaimer trust design that QTIPs the credit shelter trust for federal purposes to secure a second step up in basis. Every married couple plan should be able to shelter up to $4,386,000 without doing anything fancy
or aggressive. They’re only $214,000.00 over the combined threshold. Consider having the survivor make gifts as near as death as necessary to assure not running out of funds.</p>
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I’m coming to this late, so if anyone has already set this out, I apologize for repeating.</p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt">Married clients are getting old. They want to know what they can do to shelter their assets from inheritance tax here in Washington. They have a home worth $600,000.00 and financial assets of roughly $4,000,000.00. When we
do the calculations the inheritance tax would be $301,050.00 upon the death of the second spouse if they do not dispose of any of the assets. </span><span style="font-size:18pt">We need to shelter $2,407,000.00. </span></p>
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<span style="font-size:18pt">I have two questions off the bat. All this talk of Transfer on Death Deeds makes me wonder if they do a TODD will that keep the real property out of the "estate" for purposes of the estate tax? The second question is if they
make specific beneficiaries for $2,407,000.00 worth of their financial investments, will that keep that amount out of the estate tax calculation?</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:18pt">And I do know that as a married couple they can gift $30,000 per year per person, but they don't want to do that for personal reasons.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:18pt">I am sure there are other ways to do this. Any ideas that are not too complicated would be appreciated.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:18pt">I appreciate it.</span></p>
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