<div dir="ltr">I also think you might consider that "Bad Guy" could make AP claim through "ouster" theory, which would/could give him a claim to (at least) partial ownership, right? I found some details on this type of claim <a href="https://digitalcommons.law.uw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3343&context=wlr">here</a> by searching "ouster." <div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:30 PM Teague Pasco <<a href="mailto:pasco@pasco-law.com">pasco@pasco-law.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all, <div><br></div><div>My thoughts: the bad guy's representation to the IRS that he does not own the property probably is a good argument that he had no intent to adversely possess the property. It's well documented and made in a situation where ownership of the property would probably have been beneficial to the guy. The question I think is whether this or other facts can overcome apparent (1) hostile, (2) actual and uninterrupted, (3) open and notorious, and (3) exclusive use by bad guy for the statutory period. The fact that he made no effort to remove Mom's name from mortgage might show that he fails at "open and notorious" during the statutory period. I do know that in 2020 the WA SC issued a couple of decisions clarifying that there is a presumption for permissive use - I'd make baddie cough up the document your client supposedly signed. It could resolve the question of permission or not. </div><div><br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Teague Pasco</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> LL.M. - Taxation</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">1214 S. 68th St.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Tacoma WA 98408</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="mailto:pasco@pasco-law.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">pasco@pasco-law.com</a></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Land: <a href="tel:360-975-3387" value="+19133840034" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">360-975-3387</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Mobile: <a href="tel:360-643-3990" value="+19133840034" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">360-643-3990</a></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 2:59 PM Christy M <<a href="mailto:talk2much84@msn.com" target="_blank">talk2much84@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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If he's telling people it's not his, it doesn't seem open and notorious.
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<li style="margin-left:0in">My guess is the bad guy was making the payments, got behind and then cured it. Bank obviously either doesn’t know or doesn’t care that borrower is deceased.</li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Craig: if facts are what you state, I am pretty sure a sober judge would find some sort of equitable relief and not grant a decree of ap. The two foreclosure actions give me some pause too; seems like somebody would have to do something
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<p class="MsoNormal">Listmates. After 37 years I thought I had seen just about every weird fact pattern that people can come up with. Well, I was wrong. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated. Mom dies 17 years ago. No probate. Son is grief stricken
when along comes the bad guy and tells grief stricken son that he will “ take over” the house and gives him a couple bucks for his trouble. Son moves out, signs some document which we do not have a copy of. Son later figures out he has been taken advantage
of but figures nothing can be done. Now, along comes the IRS investigating the bad guy and trying to see if he owns the property which bad guy I believe tells the IRS that he does not . IRS tells son that whatever he signed was not valid so Mom is still
in title. I check and yes deceased mom is still in title with an outstanding Deed of Trust that has been in foreclosure twice since she died. Not sure if bad guy lives there but suspect he is renting it out. Soooo. If we open probate to get son the power
over the real estate can we try to kick the bad guy out? Is the fact he has had possession for more than 10 years create adverse possession even if he acquired that possession by fraud or some underhanded means? If he made a statement to the IRS under penalty
of perjury that he does not own it, is that a waiver or some such thing? My initial thought is adverse possession is a problem but I have never researched the fraud angle or a subsequent disclaimer. Thoughts???</p>
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