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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>What do you mean the bad guy told the son “he will take over the house”? Was he buying it or just renting it by making the mortgage payments? A person can knowingly steal someone’s real property by adverse possession as long as you prove all of the elements by a preponderance of the evidence. There is no good-faith requirement. However, if you can get his statement from the IRS that would be evidence that he has not met one of the adverse possession elements. Which element, I am not sure off the top of my head. Need more facts about the son’s continued dealing with the property after so many years after his mother passed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jeff Davis<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Gourley<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] New fact pattern for me Adverse Possession.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>My guess is the bad guy was making the payments, got behind and then cured it. Bank obviously either doesn’t know or doesn’t care that borrower is deceased.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] New fact pattern for me Adverse Possession.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Craig: if facts are what you state, I am pretty sure a sober judge would find some sort of equitable relief and not grant a decree of ap. The two foreclosure actions give me some pause too; seems like somebody would have to do something so the result was not foreclosure.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Gourley<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] New fact pattern for me Adverse Possession.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Listmates. After 37 years I thought I had seen just about every weird fact pattern that people can come up with. Well, I was wrong. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated. Mom dies 17 years ago. No probate. Son is grief stricken when along comes the bad guy and tells grief stricken son that he will “ take over” the house and gives him a couple bucks for his trouble. Son moves out, signs some document which we do not have a copy of. Son later figures out he has been taken advantage of but figures nothing can be done. Now, along comes the IRS investigating the bad guy and trying to see if he owns the property which bad guy I believe tells the IRS that he does not . IRS tells son that whatever he signed was not valid so Mom is still in title. I check and yes deceased mom is still in title with an outstanding Deed of Trust that has been in foreclosure twice since she died. Not sure if bad guy lives there but suspect he is renting it out. Soooo. If we open probate to get son the power over the real estate can we try to kick the bad guy out? Is the fact he has had possession for more than 10 years create adverse possession even if he acquired that possession by fraud or some underhanded means? If he made a statement to the IRS under penalty of perjury that he does not own it, is that a waiver or some such thing? My initial thought is adverse possession is a problem but I have never researched the fraud angle or a subsequent disclaimer. Thoughts???<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>GOURLEY LAW GROUP</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>THE EXCHANGE CONNECTION</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>SNOHOMISH ESCROW </b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>P.O. 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