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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the rule in Washington is that only installment payments more than six years old are time barred. What if the dot referred to a state that has a twenty year sol?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph McIntosh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 3, 2021 8:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Release of Deed of Trust/Quiet Title?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I don’t think SOL matters. If you’re a lender, and you want ample time for full performance, you negotiate a lengthy maturity. On loans that have gone unpaid and not seen action for years, the fine print will
probably disclose a lengthy maturity. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 03, 2021 7:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Release of Deed of Trust/Quiet Title?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I haven’t thought of this for a while; but, why don’t lenders modify their contracts to refer to a state that has really long sols?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph McIntosh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 3, 2021 7:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Release of Deed of Trust/Quiet Title?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">A bankruptcy discharge does not eliminate a secured debt, or its repayment schedule, it just eliminates a remedy – personal recourse. There’s a couple discharge provisions in the code address this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If there have been 18 years of missed payments, some would be currently time barred by the state’s 6 yr statute for enforcement of written contracts, but some not. The lien still is still intact as to some missed
payments that have not yet expired under the statute, and others if they have not yet come due.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 03, 2021 7:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Release of Deed of Trust/Quiet Title?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I'm not familiar with those appellate court cases, but if the statute of limitations argument is based on due date of periodic payments I have a hard time seeing how due date for a periodic payment could be after it was discharged. So seemingly the bankruptcy
discharge date would be the latest date for the statute of limitations for all the payments. But if so, doesn't that line of cases presumably work in favor of the OP's client since all the payments would have been due over 18 years ago?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Also, to the extent that the Bankruptcy Act does have applicable language, it would presumably say that the creditor's claim was the full amount, not just those payments prior to bankruptcy. I don't see, however, how such provisions would affect a states
law SOL.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/3/2021 5:58 AM, Joseph McIntosh wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">A quiet title can be maintained if the statute of limitations for enforcement of the lien is expired. Commencement of the statue typically depends on when rights contractually accrue, so you would have to look
at the contract, and particularly, it’s maturity. If it’s an installment thirty year mortgage, there might be some payments that have not yet come due (and rights to enforce that have not accrued), unless there was an event of acceleration. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There is some goofy language from a recent WA appellate court that says a bankruptcy discharge matures a secured loan, although that language has been pretty widely panned, and there’s a couple cases in the pipeline
seeking correction of that language. Nothing from the bankruptcy code says a personal discharge matures or accelerates secured debt.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Samuel M. Meyler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 2, 2021 7:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Release of Deed of Trust/Quiet Title?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Listmates,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Property owner has a 1<sup>st</sup> and 2<sup>nd</sup> position mortgage/deeds of trust encumbering the property. Owner files for bankruptcy in 2012. Standard Order of Discharge enters. Owner works out a loan modification with the 1<sup>st</sup>
position lender but does not with the 2<sup>nd</sup>. 2<sup>nd</sup> DOT continues to appear on title now that the property is being sold. It has now been over 18 years since the discharge. What are the options here? Has anyone ever had success in getting
a lender in this position to release/reconvey? Should the 2<sup>nd</sup> DOT be removed via quiet title action? Thanks for your input.<o:p></o:p></p>
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