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    <p>I've been thinking about my step up in basis concern, and I no
      longer think it's a concern.  If the other spouse gets the
      property the basis would be stepped up because they would inherit
      the entire property.  If anyone else gets the property, the basis
      would be stepped up for the same reason.  I think the concern
      would be converting the property from community property to
      tenants in common.  There my concern would be only half the
      property would get a step up in basis.</p>
    <p>But of course, checking with a tax attorney would be prudent. 
      There may be other estate or income tax concerns.<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2021 9:42 PM, Kary Krismer
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>What I meant by raising FIRPTA was whether the couple was
        contemplating a future sale and thinking by doing a QCD
        beforehand they could avoid FIRPTA.  I'm not sure that future
        sale would give rise to FIRPTA withholding, but again I'm not
        sure it wouldn't either.  But I wasn't worried about FIRPTA on
        the gift.</p>
      <p>As to the step up in basis my concern was that the step up
        would only apply to community property, not separate property. 
        Also a question I don't know the answer to.  In the back of my
        mind I seem to recall it applies to either type of property, but
        that's something I'd want to make sure of.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2021 7:29 PM, John J.
        Sullivan wrote:<br>
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        <div>1. No FIRPTA withholding on gifts. No gain realized. </div>
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        <div>2. Yes. If NRA spouse died first there would be a step up
          in basis even though estate not subject to estate tax.
           Perhaps she transfers her interest to a revocable trust for
          his benefit? Or somehow achieve whatever the objective is
          while not removing it from her gross estate?</div>
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        <div><a
href="https://hodgen.com/why-nonresident-decedents-get-step-up-basis-at-death/"
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        <div>Don’t forget to check any applicable treaty. </div>
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        <div>John J. Sullivan<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 12, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Kary
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              <p>I would take a step back, and if this is just about
                FIRPTA, find out if FIRPTA would even apply with a US
                Citizen still on title.  I sort of doubt it would since
                they would have a taxpayer to reach, but I don't know
                that.</p>
              <p>And then I would think about the step up in basis on
                death of community property when a spouse passes away,
                and find out whether you'd be giving that away.  Without
                this transfer and a step up in basis there'd likely be
                little or no gain for several years, and even if FIRPTA
                applied any money taken would be paid back upon filing a
                return.  Note that step up in basis would apply
                whichever spouse dies first.<br>
              </p>
              <p>It may be the client is wishing to avoid a non-existent
                problem and creating a future liability.<br>
              </p>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2021 6:22 PM, John J.
                Sullivan wrote:<br>
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                If NRA wife gifts now to citizen husband, the unlimited
                marital deduction applies. 
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                <div>I would specify it’s to create separate property
                  and claim that REET exemption so if she dies her
                  estate has no CP interest in US source property. </div>
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                <div>John J. Sullivan<br>
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                    <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 12, 2021, at 3:42 PM,
                      Lisa Chiang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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                          style="font-size:large;color:#351c75">Hi all,</div>
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                          style="font-size:large;color:#351c75">A silly
                          question, as it's been awhile since I've dealt
                          with this scenario, so want to be sure:</div>
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                          style="font-size:large;color:#351c75">Client
                          is U.S. citizen.  Wife used to hold a green
                          card, which she gave up after they moved
                          overseas a decade ago.  IRS deems her to be a
                          non resident alien (NRA) for tax purposes. 
                          Kids are also U.S. citizens (all minors
                          currently).  <br>
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                          style="font-size:large;color:#351c75">Real
                          estate in WA state acquired as community
                          property when they both lived and worked
                          here.  <br>
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                          style="font-size:large;color:#351c75">Client
                          would like to take his wife off title of WA
                          house (she's agreeable).  <br>
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                          style="font-size:large;color:#351c75"><b>Wondering
                            about gift tax issues before we proceed. 
                            (Will prepare QDOT for other liquid assets).
                            Any thoughts or wisdom from the group is
                            greatly appreciated.</b>  <br>
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                          style="font-size:large;color:#351c75">Kind
                          regards, <br>
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                          style="font-size:large;color:#351c75">Lisa<br>
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