<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thank you Robert.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The DRCs would have a role to play in a new system, but so far have not shown a willingness to change thinking and practices in connection with eviction prevention, which was overdue before the pandemic.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s a long story - I’m very familiar with DRC leadership and the current pilot project; they have been unwilling to collaborate with organizations outside their system, even when pushed to do so by funders. That happened in King County last year. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Senior leadership of the WSBA ADR Section not only were instrumental in creating the DRCs, they have always been engaged with policy makers about legislation that create or govern dispute resolution. However that experience has been excluded from discussions about the current eviction mediation program. Why? It’s not really about the DRCs or ADR Section leadership, but about the influence that an advocacy group for one side has exerted on the creation of the current pilot and proposed legislation. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am a big supporter of community mediation, and with the Covid-19 crisis everyone should be collaborating to find solutions. However, collaboration needs to be inclusive in order to work. Neither the DRCs nor the courts have availed themselves of the full extent of knowledge and experience available in Washington that this moment calls for.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:26 AM, <<a href="mailto:rob@hctc.com" class="">rob@hctc.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:rob@hctc.com" class="">rob@hctc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Roger, I am connected to our local DRC. I can tell you that the state-wide systemic coordination and sharing is not yet perfected, although much good has come of many of their efforts to do so. My sense is that my local DRC would be happy to learn anything it can to help it work within its model. That model emphasizes genuinely neutral mediators, early intervention, and so on. But they are constrained by funding and again, the lack of an entirely efficient way to share best practices with other DRCs. They do have organization, and they very clearly are committed to the mediation model. Uniformly, the many people I have worked with and mediated with over about 20 years are true believers in trying to find a dispute resolution system that is better for everyone involved.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">They do have a history of meeting various challenges over the years, and improving their offerings. But these are new challenges. So, if there is a better system, and a way to get to it, I invite you to connect with DRCs and try to help them see what is possible. In Oly, that would be the Thurston County Dispute Resolution Center, 360-956-1155;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mediatethurston.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mediatethurston.org</a>. Local DRCs are already established, so, it may be more efficient to work with them than try to create entirely new systems, at least in some locales.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Rob<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Robert D. Wilson-Hoss<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hoss & Wilson-Hoss, LLP<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">236 West Birch Street<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Shelton, WA 98584<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">360 426-2999<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.hossandwilson-hoss.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.hossandwilson-hoss.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:rob@hctc.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rob@hctc.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roger Moss<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 21, 2020 9:31 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Short-ish response to Kaitlyn’s thoughtful missive.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The current mediation pilot is deeply flawed, mired in 1990s thinking, and flouts a fundamental component of neutral process. While I am not categorically opposed to mandatory mediation, the combination of mandatory process and the role of tenant advocates in case management corrupts the scheme. It is that last element that most alarms the executive committee of the ADR Section.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">For years we have been calling for new approaches to, and especially <i class=""><u class="">early intervention</u></i> in disputes that could trigger eviction. This could be done state-wide through a centralized online dispute resolution system managed by an impeccably neutral professional organization. Tenants and landlords both need a range of services, from self-help tools, to coaching and social services, and finally to structured mediated process. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It is not terribly expensive to create an operate an appropriate system, but doing so requires a mind-shift that so far neither the courts nor the DRCs have shown any interest in considering. It’s bizarre, since right across the border (northbound), a single system has been handling all UDs in British Columbia for many years. There are other examples of this kind that have been enormously successful and actually reduce taxpayer expenses. We easily could do this in Washington, but we need to get the attention of the right policy makers.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As a reminder, the RPPT and ADR Sections are hosting an open forum at noon on January 6th to engage dialogue on these issues with an eye to influencing legislation under review presently. The January 6 forum will be the first of a series. Please join us!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: rgb(148, 33, 146); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">ADR - RPPT Sections Open Forum on Pending Eviction Mediation Legislation</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(148, 33, 146);" class="">Jan 6, 2021 12:00 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada) </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(148, 33, 146);" class="">Register in advance for this meeting:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(148, 33, 146);" class=""><a href="https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJwrdOivrj8tHtUdh4DB8pAQ4gd6cmvSWxxz" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJwrdOivrj8tHtUdh4DB8pAQ4gd6cmvSWxxz</a> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(91, 91, 91);" class="">Roger A. 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If you have received this email in error, please notify me immediately by reply email, delete this email, and do not disclose its contents to anyone.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Kaitlyn Jackson <<a href="mailto:kaitlyn@dimensionlaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kaitlyn@dimensionlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi all -<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sorry for the long post and there’s probably a few typos as this is coming from my phone. These are some of my thoughts on this topic after a weekend of fielding emails about the “expiration” of the moratorium.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">There has pretty much always (at least for the last few years I’ve been practicing) been funds for low income tenants to access if they were behind in rent and at risk of being evicted (at least this is true in King and Pierce County). The process has been that once a 14 day notice to pay or vacate is served on the tenant, they can take the notice to the Housing Justice Program or Northwest Justice Project (information of these entities provided on Page 1 of the Summons if a lawsuit is served), and these entities hook them up with nonprofits who can “reinstate” their tenancy by paying the balance. Under RCW 59.18, the landlord is required to reinstate their tenancy if the balance is paid within 5 days of a judgment. Right now, because 14 day notices nor lawsuits can be served, I don’t think either party can access those funds. I think there’s a condition-precedent to qualify which is either a 14 day or a lawsuit. Maybe someone with more information on those requirements can comment. One idea I have is to increase the income limits on these funds to get them in the hands of more tenants where needed.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The CARES Funds which have been in the hands of some of the non-profits or similar entities seems to only be accessible by the tenant/defendant (I’ve dealt with a few of them). So the landlord can’t really apply or push a tenant to apply. Yes they can send the info to the tenant - but they can’t force anything to move forward. Also, I think the conditions on some or most of these funds is that the tenant show COVID affected their income. So many non-paying tenants aren’t applying for the aid, which exacerbates the problem, because then the landlord is stuck. Moreover, the CARES funds are limited in how much or what they will pay. For example, many of my cases have scenarios where the tenants have not paid utilities since April. So the CARES Act funds will only cover part of that. Also, the CARES Act funds will only cover X number of unpaid months. In a case where the landlord hasn’t received rent (not event a partial payment) in 10 months, it’s a pretty tough sell to the landlord to accept 3-4 months worth only to be required to waive the remaining amounts and be required to extend the lease of the tenant (who is not very likely not pay moving forward, either). <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The biggest issue right now, in my opinion, is that the tenants are not required to take any proactive steps at all to get the ball rolling on a resolution. They are not required to make partial payments or even engage with the landlord in a reasonable repayment plan. They are encouraged to do so, yes, but if they do not - the landlords are essentially at their mercy while the tenant holds their most valuable asset is an economic hostage situation. For large landlords, that’s an overly-dramatic picture. For small landlords, that’s exactly how this looks and feels - particular those who are at risk of being foreclosed upon due to the tenant refusing to help themselves gain access to CARES or state funds or vacate the property.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Personally, I think the required mediation program is a reasonable solution to getting the parties to the negotiation table and moving things forward. But things do need to move forward. The longer we allow no proof or action by the tenants, the worse the problem will get and then the threat of mass evictions is actually a self-fulfilling prophecy. I’ve had many thoughtful debates with attorneys and laymen alike and there’s a push to oppose the narrative that a large portion of the non-paying tenants are abusing the protections. Well, if that’s true, then allowing landlords the right to start the process of mediation should not create a threat of “mass evictions.” If the tenants can show they’ve been effected by COVID, if they’ve communicated with their landlord, then the process should lead to access to CARES and other state/non-profit funds and a resolution between the parties. Then, logic follows that we will only have “mass evictions” if there’s been “mass abuse.” All these cases just keep piling up because there is no requirement for turning on the spout to relieve pressure. It reminds me of Cold Mountain where Ruby Thewes famously played on screen by Renee Zelwegger quotes “they made the weather and then stand in the rain and say sh*t, it’s rainin!” I only hope there are enough mediators to process the work in a timely fashion (I have my doubts).<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I don’t think we need the proposed amendments to RCW 59.18. I think we need to see what/how the required mediation program does to help alleviate the flow of cases (I think many could resolve amicably through this process). But, we won’t know if that’s effective until we give some rebalance of power to the landlord to move things forward and we give these programs time to work out their kinks. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kaitlyn <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Dec 21, 2020, at 8:12 AM, Jim Doran <<a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jim@doranlegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">In my years as Mayor of my home town (Twisp) I found that if a person is very clear and determined to get what his/her constituents need, there is always a way to get it. Who is going to do the work with drive, passion and determination are the only questions.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">We have an outline for what is needed. Some of the administrative structure is already in place, eg Section 8, and the money is there. Who is going to make this happen?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Jim Doran</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">PS. Someone send this to Governor Inslee. I don't have a direct line.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class=""> <br clear="all" class=""></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">James R. Doran<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Attorney at Law<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bellingham, WA 98225<br class="">(360)393-9506<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jim@doranlegal.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.doranlegal.com/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.doranlegal.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 7:51 AM <<a href="mailto:scott@scottgthomaslaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">scott@scottgthomaslaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Perhaps the bigger question is what is squirreled away in the new stimulus bill? At one point there was $25B to state and local governments to pay for rent and utilities. If that made it into the final bill, asking the legislature to double Washington’s share to get landlords and tenants past the next 6 months would seem to be in the interest of both.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jim Doran<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, December 20, 2020 6:34 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Who is going to pitch this To the the Governor?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 8:07 PM <<a href="mailto:scott@scottgthomaslaw.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">scott@scottgthomaslaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">With respect, I point out that Section 8 housing is known, accepted, and there is a lot of infrastructure already in place. Local service agencies are familiar with it, and able to provide tenants with assistance. A temporary expansion would be quick and relatively easy.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Eric Nelsen<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, December 19, 2020 2:48 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Jim, I think that could be a great solution. Personally I would advocate for putting most of the administrative burden on the landlord, to apply for relief and work with the tenant to get the tenant’s cooperation in providing necessary information to provide to the state. The tenant’s incentive would be that, if they cooperate with the landlord, they get protection from eviction; otherwise not. (And eviction would be contingent on showing that landlord made necessary efforts to let tenant know about the options and gave them reasonable opportunity to take advantage of the protection.)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I think landlords are better situated than tenants in financial distress, in terms of resources and time, to deal with the bureaucratic details. Too many benefit programs fail because they are too complicated or require too much sustained effort from the intended beneficiary, a person who is in an unstable and precarious position. Also, there are fewer landlords than tenants, which would reduce the state’s administrative burden because the bigger landlords would, through repetition, get proficient at providing exactly the right information in a format that makes it easier for the state to confirm. Plus, the payments would go to the landlord so the landlord has to be in touch with the state anyway.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I can imagine some privacy issues cropping up, for tenants giving info to landlords, so it might take some tweaking. And perhaps tenants could apply themselves if they wished, if the landlord isn’t cooperative.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sincerely,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Eric<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417+31st+Ave+South+Seattle+WA+98144-3909?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">1417 31st Ave South</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417+31st+Ave+South+Seattle+WA+98144-3909?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Seattle WA 98144-3909</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">206-625-0092<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="background-color: aqua;" class="">Covid-19 Update -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>All attorneys are working remotely during regular business hours and are available via email and by phone. Videoconferencing also is available. Signing of estate planning documents can be completed and will be handled on a case-by-case basis. Please direct mail and deliveries to the Seattle office.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jim Doran<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, December 19, 2020 1:09 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Wow. what a brilliant string of thoughts. One of you, buried down the string quite a ways, articulated what I would call the best analysis. I would like to add just a bit.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">The brilliant one said, and I am paraphrasing, that one of the purposes of the federal government in times like these is to step up to help. In this case that would have (and probably still could) meant that a landlord - tenant relief bill be adopted until the end of the pandemic. If a tenant could show that he/she was financially disadvantaged because of the Covid and filled out the paperwork, then the tenant's rent would be paid directly to the landlord. If the tenant did not qualify or simply did not take the time and effort to fill out the forms and go to the interview, then the regular rules of unlawful detainer would apply. Pretty simple. There are details, of course. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Yes, this would create another layer of bureaucracy at the state level and would take some time to set up. An interim forbearance could be allowed. However, this landlord - tenant relief bill is better than all the terrible predictions that have been brought up in this email discussion. I believe the harm will be very substantial if a process like this is not developed and implemented. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">Why wasn't it developed and implemented? (Or, where does the real fault lie?) If the federal government had addressed the Covid pandemic in a professional way, the need for the landlord - tenant relief bill would have been vetted and most likely funded by a significant fund to the individual states for the purposes stated. But, as we know, the President didn't step up. The real core of this problem is failed leadership at the top.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;" class="">I appreciate all of the comments, even the two from Voltaire. But I would like whoever it was who had this brilliant idea to step forward and be recognized. It is the only real solution to this situation. </span><span style="font-size: 18pt;" class="">I have said many times, "I may not ever have a creative idea, but I sure do recognize one when I hear it."</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt;" class="">Thank you all for the focus on this. Are we going to try to outlast the Covid....for another 8 months... or try to get something like this from the Biden Administration? That's the question now.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18pt;" class="">James Doran</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">James R. Doran<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Attorney at Law<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">100<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/E.+Pine+Street+-+Suite+205+Bellingham,+WA+98225?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">E. Pine Street -</a> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/E.+Pine+Street+-+Suite+205+Bellingham,+WA+98225?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Suite 205</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/E.+Pine+Street+-+Suite+205+Bellingham,+WA+98225?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Bellingham, WA 98225</a><br class="">(360)393-9506<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jim@doranlegal.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.doranlegal.com/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.doranlegal.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 11:39 AM Lenard Wittlake <<a href="mailto:lwlaw@my180.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lwlaw@my180.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Mr. Long is correct, imho. He is not talking about removing landlords from their homes. He is talking about the government taking control of dwellings away from the landlord owners. That is expropriation of dwellings, even if temporarily.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">As for mob rule, that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">was</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>a concern of the founders (we were pretty much started by disfavored minorities that fled slaughter in other places) and that is relevant in analyzing the use of emergency powers which has stripped away all of the protections mentioned. The pandemic is the reason for invoking emergency powers. The problem under discussion is the way the powers are used, who benefits and who pays. So I have an opinion about why a politician would choose to lay the burden on landlords instead of broader society. At least these days no one gets killed over differences of opinion …. oh, wait..</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">There are valid points and concerns on the right and the left. But our society seems to not care about coming to a consensus that works for more than a mere majority (I live in OR where Portland can outvote the rest of the state). But our system has worked better than most others, until emergency powers are used based on politics instead of rational analysis and problem solving. That Canadian idea someone mentioned makes sense to me.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Lenard L Wittlake, PLLC</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Attorney & Counselor at Law</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/22+East+Poplar+Street,+Suite+202?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">22 East Poplar Street, Suite 202</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">P.O. 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If you received this email in error,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">please reply to the sender that you have received this information in error</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">and delete this email.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Eric Nelsen<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, December 18, 2020 10:08 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Life tenure for federal judges, the apportionment of the US Senate, and the electoral college, being the antimajoritarian aspects of the structure of federal government, don’t seem relevant to this Washington state discussion. The Washington State bicameral legislature is proportionally representative in both houses and operates by majority rule in both houses. Our judges are elected at every level all the way up to the Supreme Court. I don’t think any of that has changed since the state was founded in 1889.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I suppose a judiciary can be considered to some extent “antimajoritarian” simply by its existence, in that rule of law helps prevent mob rule and re-channels efforts to change the law to the legislative process. But a judiciary is also upholding the laws enacted by the legislature, which is basically a pro-majoritarian function.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hairsplitting about Constitutional Republic versus Representative Democracy doesn’t change the fact that self-governance, by either structure, involves consent of all to abide by the collective decision of the government. That is, by definition, rule of law.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So if our self-governmental process--the state legislature--changes the legal landscape in a way that prioritizes life or liberty over certain property rights, that is not tyranny just because one might disagree with the decision. A lawyer who stands against that process would be, by definition,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">opposing</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>the rule of law.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">None of which means a lawyer can’t fiercely advocate for a change in the law, or argue regulatory taking or whatever. But that’s not an “antimajoritarian” role for lawyers as a group; that’s individual advocacy within the law.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It’s incoherent to argue that “rule of law” prevents the legislature from changing the law. If one doesn’t like the change, one is simply arguing for the status quo. Of course one has a right to do so; but it does not make that person a righteous defender of rule of law, or a principled antimajoritarian. It’s just a political position, and win or lose the legislative battle, I would expect compliance with the law.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sincerely,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Eric<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417+31st+Ave+South+Seattle+WA+98144-3909?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">1417 31st Ave South</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417+31st+Ave+South+Seattle+WA+98144-3909?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Seattle WA 98144-3909</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">206-625-0092<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="background-color: aqua;" class="">Covid-19 Update -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>All attorneys are working remotely during regular business hours and are available via email and by phone. Videoconferencing also is available. Signing of estate planning documents can be completed and will be handled on a case-by-case basis. Please direct mail and deliveries to the Seattle office.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>K. Garl Long <<a href="mailto:Garl@longlaw.biz" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Garl@longlaw.biz</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:50 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>; Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Our country was founded as a Constitutional Republic, not an absolute Democracy. We did this to avoid the institution of tyranny by the majority. We did this to protect the minority, to assure that each person, would have the inalienable right live life in liberty, to pursue happiness without fearing deprivation by the majority.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It is true that our constitutions have been much weakened, it may be that this will continue until the majority can trample unfettered on the rights of disfavored groups; it will most certainly occur if lawyers do not stand for the rule of law, especially against the majority.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">KGL<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 12/17/2020 05:34 PM, Eric Nelsen wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It would be good for some real property lawyers to be involved in further discussions of the moratoria, and certainly anything as consequential as legislation.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“Outvoting y’all” is also called majority rule in a democracy. That rests on the social contract, that for the greater good of all, the minority agrees to abide by the decision of the majority. There is a flood of opinionated people in this country right now who appear to have forgotten that. I would hope that lawyers as a group have not forgotten. If our legislators change the priorities between property rights and life and liberty interests, that is how self-governance works.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“Expropriation of dwellings” bollocks. No<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">landlord</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is being removed from their home. Landlords’ right to use the courts to enforce payment of rent is being temporarily blocked during a health emergency. The debt remains owing and there will be a huge financial and legal mess to clean up. But I think calling it “expropriation of dwellings” is hardly appropriate.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sincerely,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Eric<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417+31st+Ave+South+Seattle+WA+98144-3909?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">1417 31st Ave South</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417+31st+Ave+South+Seattle+WA+98144-3909?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Seattle WA 98144-3909</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">206-625-0092<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="background-color: aqua;" class="">Covid-19 Update -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>All attorneys are working remotely during regular business hours and are available via email and by phone. Videoconferencing also is available. Signing of estate planning documents can be completed and will be handled on a case-by-case basis. Please direct mail and deliveries to the Seattle office.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Lenard Wittlake<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:36 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'WSBA Real Property Listserv'<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So there you have it. There are enough who “vehemently support” the “expropriation of dwellings” that they can now outvote y’all, so what do you expect from politicians?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Since the Governor has not “surgically” addressed the overreach problems in four iterations of the moratorium, it is not likely going to happen in the fifth.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">It appears to be time for the section to organize an evaluation of the proposed legislation. I assume our appointed leaders are working on such.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Lenard L Wittlake, PLLC</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Attorney & Counselor at Law</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/22+East+Poplar+Street,+Suite+202?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">22 East Poplar Street, Suite 202</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">P.O. 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If you received this email in error,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">please reply to the sender that you have received this information in error</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">and delete this email.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Christy M<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 17, 2020 2:41 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I, for one, do not meekly accept; I vehemently support. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-------- Original message --------<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From: "K. Garl Long" <<a href="mailto:Garl@longlaw.biz" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Garl@longlaw.biz</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Date: 12/17/20 2:15 PM (GMT-08:00)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If you choose to put money that you have earned into the pocket of the owner of a dwelling, in exchange for the privilege of living there, it is called a contract.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If the government expropriates the dwelling from the owner so that you can live there without paying, it is theft. You may recall that the Intolerable Acts included such expropriation of dwellings. This is what our founders fought against, and which we now meekly accept.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">KGL<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 12/17/2020 01:55 PM, Andrew Hay wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Voltaire again … As far as his notion of government taking money from one class and giving to another, as a non-landlord, I see my money going to the pockets of landlords. I fund governmental benefits with my taxes. Those benefits are paid to landlords for rent. Generally, rent paid to landlords by those on government benefits is a disproportionately high percentage of their income. Voltaire would likely conclude the landlords are the ones benefitting from this governmental transfer.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Perhaps the moratorium suspends this transfer to landlords to allow my taxes to temporarily fund pandemic relief.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Andrew Hay</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hay & Swann PLLC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">201 S. 34<sup class="">th</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>St.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Tacoma, WA 98418<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i class=""><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonlaw.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ad32d5fc4764794e46e08d8a2d935b8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637438401075055698%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DtUXJVBQr9jrfAcs0VP8AjpgaqzovLn11GNixl6v0Ug%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">www.washingtonlaw.net</span></a></i><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i class=""><a href="mailto:andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net</span></a></i><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">253.272.2400 (w)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">253.377.3085 (c)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">THIS IS A CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION AND IS INTENDED FOR THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT ONLY. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY AND DESTROY ALL COPIES<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>K. Garl Long<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 17, 2020 1:34 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv; Rob Rowley<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i class="">It is not inequality which is the real misfortune, it is dependence.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>Voltaire again.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 12/17/2020 11:25 AM, Rob Rowley wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(32, 33, 36); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to another. Voltaire.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; color: rgb(32, 33, 36); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chris B<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:59 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I just entered into an agreement to sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a package. All will be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are nice homes that I am proud to own, two of which have tenants in them for more than 10 years. While all my tenants are current in their rent, I no longer wish to be in the rental housing business in a state that is clearly trying to kill that business. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As they say, it is “a feature, not a bug.”<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chris Benis<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hecker, Wakefield & Feilberg, P.S.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/321+First+Avenue+West,+Seattle,+WA+98119?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">321 First Avenue West, Seattle, WA</a> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/321+First+Avenue+West,+Seattle,+WA+98119?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">98119</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">206.447-1900 office – 206.447.9075 fax – www.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fheckerwakefield.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ad32d5fc4764794e46e08d8a2d935b8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637438401075065693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=yX6TEYkb2qMyn9cK3xUbOGsIz48aS9fz2uX8r%2FF%2FIxE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">heckerwakefield.com</a> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This message contains information that may be CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVILEGED. 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Please contact me if you would like to discuss our preparation of an opinion that conforms to these new rules.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rani K. Sampson<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:51 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are predictable: landlords will liquidate their real estate investments (they’ll sell). Tenants will have much less housing to choose from. Rental houses will be incredibly hard to find. The void might be filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords building projects. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This is very bad for tenants, long term. The loss of rental housing will affect all of us.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Rani K. Sampson</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Overcast Law Offices | Attorney</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/23+S+Wenatchee+Ave+%23320,+Wenatchee+WA+98801?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">23 S Wenatchee Ave #320, Wenatchee WA 98801</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>| (509) 663-5588 x 6</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kary Krismer<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own. They may just not wish to own for many different reasons.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">Kary L. Krismer<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">206 723-2148<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time…..</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole – renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can’t afford homes due to lack of wealth.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote><div id="gmail-m_-6595708581358296942m_-5678617774646455829gmail-m_6221992469046521973DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="1" width="99%" noshade="" align="center" style="color: rgb(144, 144, 144);" class=""></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="padding: 0in 11.25pt 0in 6pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fantivirus&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3ad32d5fc4764794e46e08d8a2d935b8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637438401075065693%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=w5ED6xDFhAmMVWCiL6c6%2Bgw7HAwBvJmgf397NWn7cGo%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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