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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We live in a society that accepts the benevolence of monetary transfers from the fortunate to the less fortunate, mostly in the form of unequal taxation. It seems to me that Inslee’s goal is not such a transfer
but rather avoidance of a humanitarian crisis caused by the economic impacts of the pandemic. The goal is not to benefit tenants financially by burdening landlords financially, or at least it shouldn’t be. The goal is to prevent homelessness.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">The current proclamation, and the proposed statute, extend well beyond this goal. This is the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 2:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: 12/17/20 2:15 PM (GMT-08:00) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session
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<p>If you choose to put money that you have earned into the pocket of the owner of a dwelling, in exchange for the privilege of living there, it is called a contract.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If the government expropriates the dwelling from the owner so that you can live there without paying, it is theft. You may recall that the Intolerable Acts included such expropriation of dwellings. This is what our founders fought against, and which we
now meekly accept.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>KGL<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2020 01:55 PM, Andrew Hay wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Voltaire again … As far as his notion of government taking money from one class and giving to another, as a non-landlord, I see my money going to the pockets of landlords. I fund governmental benefits with
my taxes. Those benefits are paid to landlords for rent. Generally, rent paid to landlords by those on government benefits is a disproportionately high percentage of their income. Voltaire would likely conclude the landlords are the ones benefitting from
this governmental transfer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Perhaps the moratorium suspends this transfer to landlords to allow my taxes to temporarily fund pandemic relief.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>K. Garl Long<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 1:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv; Rob Rowley<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><i>It is not inequality which is the real misfortune, it is dependence. </i>Voltaire again.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2020 11:25 AM, Rob Rowley wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#202124;background:white">In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to another. Voltaire.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris B<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just entered into an agreement to sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a package. All will be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are nice homes that I am proud to own, two of which have tenants in them for more than 10 years.
While all my tenants are current in their rent, I no longer wish to be in the rental housing business in a state that is clearly trying to kill that business.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rani K. Sampson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are predictable: landlords will liquidate their real estate investments (they’ll sell). Tenants will have much less housing to choose from. Rental houses
will be incredibly hard to find. The void might be filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords building projects.
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is very bad for tenants, long term. The loss of rental housing will affect all of us.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Rani K. Sampson</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
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<p>You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried
about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium
is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own. They may just not wish to own for many different reasons.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time…..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole – renters.
As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can’t afford homes due to lack of wealth.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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