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    <p>The cost of all of this "good" social policy is immediately born
      by owners that did not cause the problem, and ultimately by
      tenants who cannot prevent the problem.  As others have stressed,
      the future is one of large entity landlords, and either exorbitant
      rents, or cramped undesirable housing re: East Berlin.</p>
    <p>KGL<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/2020 02:59 PM, Stephen Brandli
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">We live in a
            society that accepts the benevolence of monetary transfers
            from the fortunate to the less fortunate, mostly in the form
            of unequal taxation.  It seems to me that Inslee’s goal is
            not such a transfer but rather avoidance of a humanitarian
            crisis caused by the economic impacts of the pandemic.  The
            goal is not to benefit tenants financially by burdening
            landlords financially, or at least it shouldn’t be.  The
            goal is to prevent homelessness.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">The current
            proclamation, and the proposed statute, extend well beyond
            this goal.  This is the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">               
            Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
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                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christy M<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 2:41 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next
                legislative session<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I, for one, do not meekly accept; I
          vehemently support.  <o:p>
          </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">From: "K. Garl Long" <<a
              href="mailto:Garl@longlaw.biz" moz-do-not-send="true">Garl@longlaw.biz</a>>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Date: 12/17/20 2:15 PM (GMT-08:00) <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
              href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
            Next legislative session
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p>If you choose to put money that you have earned into the
            pocket of the owner of a dwelling, in exchange for the
            privilege of living there, it is called a contract.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>If the government expropriates the dwelling from the owner
            so that you can live there without paying, it is theft. You
            may recall that the Intolerable Acts included such
            expropriation of dwellings.  This is what our founders
            fought against, and which we now meekly accept.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>KGL<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2020 01:55 PM, Andrew Hay
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Voltaire
                  again … As far as his notion of government taking
                  money from one class and giving to another, as a
                  non-landlord, I see my money going to  the pockets of
                  landlords.  I fund governmental benefits with my
                  taxes.  Those benefits are paid to landlords for
                  rent.  Generally, rent paid to landlords by those on
                  government benefits is a disproportionately high
                  percentage of their income.  Voltaire would likely
                  conclude the landlords are the ones benefitting from
                  this governmental transfer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Perhaps
                  the moratorium suspends this transfer to landlords to
                  allow my taxes to temporarily fund pandemic relief.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Andrew Hay</b><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Hay & Swann PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">201 S. 34<sup>th</sup> St.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">253.272.2400 (w)<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">253.377.3085 (c)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE
                NOTIFY THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY AND DESTROY ALL COPIES<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                      <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
                      [<a
                        href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>K. Garl Long<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 1:34 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv; Rob Rowley<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
                      Next legislative session</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p><i>It is not inequality which is the real misfortune,
                  it is dependence. </i>Voltaire again.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2020 11:25 AM, Rob Rowley
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#202124;background:white">In
                    general, the art of government consists of taking as
                    much money as possible from one class of citizens to
                    give to another.  Voltaire.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#202124;background:white"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">
                        wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a
                        href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris B<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:59 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
                        href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
                      Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I just entered into an agreement to
                  sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a package.  All will
                  be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are
                  nice homes that I am proud to own, two of which have
                  tenants in them for more than 10 years.  While all my
                  tenants are current in their rent, I no longer wish to
                  be in the rental housing business in a state that is
                  clearly trying to kill that business. 
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">
                        wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a
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                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rani K. Sampson<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:51 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
                        href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
                      Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">The long-term consequences of
                  forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are
                  predictable:  landlords will liquidate their real
                  estate investments (they’ll sell).  Tenants will have
                  much less housing to choose from.  Rental houses will
                  be incredibly hard to find.  The void might be filled
                  by corporate landlords building apartments or
                  government landlords building projects. 
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">This is very bad for tenants, long
                  term.  The loss of rental housing will affect all of
                  us.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Rani
                        K. Sampson</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Overcast
                      Law Offices | Attorney</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">23
                      S Wenatchee Ave #320, Wenatchee WA 98801 | (509)
                      663-5588 x 6</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
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                        wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a
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                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a
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                        moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
                      Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p>You're generalizing.  The moratorium protects an
                  entire class regardless of their need, at the expense
                  of another class, regardless of their need.  If it
                  were based on economics I'd have little problem with
                  it, but it's not.  Beyond that though, I'm worried
                  about the long term adverse effects on those who
                  actually need the protection.  The moratorium may have
                  given them a false sense of security and lead them to
                  make bad decisions.  Back when I practiced law I did
                  primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is
                  likely causing people to make decisions that no
                  competent financial planner would ever advise them to
                  make.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot
                  afford to own.  They may just not wish to own for many
                  different reasons.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre>
                <pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew
                    Hay wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I
                      will take the pro moratorium position.  Donning my
                      suit of armor at the same time…..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This
                      is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic
                      unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years.  The
                      moratoriums are a policy protecting the most
                      vulnerable people in the population as a whole –
                      renters.  As a group they are either poor or old
                      or both.  They are people who can’t afford homes
                      due to lack of wealth.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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