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<p>Our country was founded as a Constitutional Republic, not an
absolute Democracy. We did this to avoid the institution of
tyranny by the majority. We did this to protect the minority, to
assure that each person, would have the inalienable right live
life in liberty, to pursue happiness without fearing deprivation
by the majority. <br>
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<p>It is true that our constitutions have been much weakened, it may
be that this will continue until the majority can trample
unfettered on the rights of disfavored groups; it will most
certainly occur if lawyers do not stand for the rule of law,
especially against the majority.</p>
<p>KGL<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/2020 05:34 PM, Eric Nelsen
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">It would be
good for some real property lawyers to be involved in
further discussions of the moratoria, and certainly anything
as consequential as legislation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">“Outvoting
y’all” is also called majority rule in a democracy. That
rests on the social contract, that for the greater good of
all, the minority agrees to abide by the decision of the
majority. There is a flood of opinionated people in this
country right now who appear to have forgotten that. I would
hope that lawyers as a group have not forgotten. If our
legislators change the priorities between property rights
and life and liberty interests, that is how self-governance
works.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">“Expropriation
of dwellings” bollocks. No
<i>landlord</i> is being removed from their home. Landlords’
right to use the courts to enforce payment of rent is being
temporarily blocked during a health emergency. The debt
remains owing and there will be a huge financial and legal
mess to clean up. But I think calling it “expropriation of
dwellings” is hardly appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Eric C.
Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Sayre Law
Offices, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lenard Wittlake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next
legislative session<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So there you
have it. There are enough who “vehemently support” the
“expropriation of dwellings” that they can now outvote
y’all, so what do you expect from politicians?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Since the
Governor has not “surgically” addressed the overreach
problems in four iterations of the moratorium, it is not
likely going to happen in the fifth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It appears to
be time for the section to organize an evaluation of the
proposed legislation. I assume our appointed leaders are
working on such.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Lenard L
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christy M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 2:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next
legislative session<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I, for one, do not meekly accept; I
vehemently support. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: "K. Garl Long" <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: 12/17/20 2:15 PM (GMT-08:00) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
Next legislative session
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<p>If you choose to put money that you have earned into the
pocket of the owner of a dwelling, in exchange for the
privilege of living there, it is called a contract.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If the government expropriates the dwelling from the owner
so that you can live there without paying, it is theft. You
may recall that the Intolerable Acts included such
expropriation of dwellings. This is what our founders
fought against, and which we now meekly accept.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>KGL<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2020 01:55 PM, Andrew Hay
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Voltaire
again … As far as his notion of government taking
money from one class and giving to another, as a
non-landlord, I see my money going to the pockets of
landlords. I fund governmental benefits with my
taxes. Those benefits are paid to landlords for
rent. Generally, rent paid to landlords by those on
government benefits is a disproportionately high
percentage of their income. Voltaire would likely
conclude the landlords are the ones benefitting from
this governmental transfer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Perhaps
the moratorium suspends this transfer to landlords to
allow my taxes to temporarily fund pandemic relief.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Andrew Hay</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hay & Swann PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>K. Garl Long<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 1:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv; Rob Rowley<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
Next legislative session</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>It is not inequality which is the real misfortune,
it is dependence. </i>Voltaire again.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2020 11:25 AM, Rob Rowley
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#202124;background:white">In
general, the art of government consists of taking as
much money as possible from one class of citizens to
give to another. Voltaire.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
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wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris B<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I just entered into an agreement to
sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a package. All will
be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are
nice homes that I am proud to own, two of which have
tenants in them for more than 10 years. While all my
tenants are current in their rent, I no longer wish to
be in the rental housing business in a state that is
clearly trying to kill that business.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As they say, it is “a feature, not
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rani K. Sampson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The long-term consequences of
forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are
predictable: landlords will liquidate their real
estate investments (they’ll sell). Tenants will have
much less housing to choose from. Rental houses will
be incredibly hard to find. The void might be filled
by corporate landlords building apartments or
government landlords building projects.
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is very bad for tenants, long
term. The loss of rental housing will affect all of
us.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Rani
K. Sampson</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Overcast
Law Offices | Attorney</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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S Wenatchee Ave #320, Wenatchee WA 98801 | (509)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
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wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question -
Next legislative session<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an
entire class regardless of their need, at the expense
of another class, regardless of their need. If it
were based on economics I'd have little problem with
it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried
about the long term adverse effects on those who
actually need the protection. The moratorium may have
given them a false sense of security and lead them to
make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did
primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is
likely causing people to make decisions that no
competent financial planner would ever advise them to
make.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot
afford to own. They may just not wish to own for many
different reasons.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew
Hay wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I
will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my
suit of armor at the same time…..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This
is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic
unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The
moratoriums are a policy protecting the most
vulnerable people in the population as a whole –
renters. As a group they are either poor or old
or both. They are people who can’t afford homes
due to lack of wealth.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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