<div style="color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">As I side note, several years ago I made inquiry on the listserv if any one has been successful with a regulatory taking. No one had.
<div>What gets me is that at least in Mason County, if the regulation goes so far as to possibly be a taking, then, effectively, the regulation goes away. So what this means is, if </div>
<div>a regulation gets implemented that is necessary to accomplish some public purpose, if the owner has to bear the financial loss, that is okay, but as soon as the </div>
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<div dir="ltr">From: "Rani K. Sampson" <<a ymailto="mailto:rani@overcastlaw.com" href="mailto:rani@overcastlaw.com">rani@overcastlaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Washington Landlord Association says that it ?has become a Plaintiff in a state lawsuit to stop the madness as well as supporting a Federal lawsuit financially with the same goal.? WLA?s Executive Director is Everett attorney, Rob Trickler.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In the meantime, proposed tenant-protections laws for next session can be seen here:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Eviction Reform - Landlord Tenant Protections - Draft - SUMMARY<<a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=0016xBNrvCGpuqtxj-u0QHd1WcIK79HR0K2nSIcHW4Lhy608EqHJczWUFQciVgluXswrmiFHmIHGoaHvh4lwW2c_gc6kHMx9FZEsnlgjQ7Lt2XWavKBV8bu93YnWEnYeDQjaN0XV90_N3ESQJFK_OQQj8Fhi-pFd0CM2oco7QBhc-VTDqOwr3w8NnmhZZy2Z-PPeETx8qIaQaYn5WDBf4iibczeJYx4eQn9qOL1bn429Kk=&c=ibxhavcAX8moKCW_wWGf2myqQgcKPwHVPy2f9DbCcqZKGKwYYUOUhg==&ch=VptldhPJG85Uqv6l5MYzzsb9g1H7Oq1tIl7UXoIoN2CmsegeYA1yBg==" target="_blank">http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=0016xBNrvCGpuqtxj-u0QHd1WcIK79HR0K2nSIcHW4Lhy608EqHJczWUFQciVgluXswrmiFHmIHGoaHvh4lwW2c_gc6kHMx9FZEsnlgjQ7Lt2XWavKBV8bu93YnWEnYeDQjaN0XV90_N3ESQJFK_OQQj8Fhi-pFd0CM2oco7QBhc-VTDqOwr3w8NnmhZZy2Z-PPeETx8qIaQaYn5WDBf4iibczeJYx4eQn9qOL1bn429Kk=&c=ibxhavcAX8moKCW_wWGf2myqQgcKPwHVPy2f9DbCcqZKGKwYYUOUhg==&ch=VptldhPJG85Uqv6l5MYzzsb9g1H7Oq1tIl7UXoIoN2CmsegeYA1yBg==</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">As a lowly dirt attorney a little bit beyond my pay grade.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">My observation is that regulatory taking and substantive due process for landlords is largely dead in Washington state (unless you are a tenant) after the Yim I and Yim II (2019) cases. There was an excellent article about those cases in the RPPT newsletter.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Just wait till rent control (aka ?housing stability?) steamrolls through not this session but probably the following legislative session.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I?m curious if any of you LL/T gurus and/or real property litigators are considering filing some kind of action or class action on a constitutional takings basis? It seems to me that the government has turned private landlords into unwilling purveyors of public housing. All of these regulations/laws were hastily conceived and handed down by fiat. The result has been a tremendous and concentrated loss to private property owners. Perhaps it has to play out further? Have to wait to quantify the exact loss when the moratoriums end and you work through getting them out under all of these onerous ?drag it out? policies benefiting only tenants? We all know that deadbeat tenants are never going to pay up even a tiny fraction of what they owe. That is but a legal illusion of justice for the property owners.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As I tell my landlord clients we lawyers don't like guaranteeing anything but there is one thing I will guarantee is that the Governor will extend the moratorium sometime into 2021.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, I suspect that Pres. Biden (once in office) will also extend the CDC moratorium which is scheduled to lapse on December 31 which is only for nonpayment of rent.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You also have to look at your local county to see if they are part of the Eviction Resolution Program. Spokane County where I am based out of is a part of the ERP and eventually once the moratorium is lifted we have to participate in the program.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, the upcoming legislative session has a number of bills which will be filed which will essentially make it near impossible to evict a for rent (or anything) anytime soon (month to month goes away for a while). Who knows what actually will pass as law is a different question. Two things that you never want to see being made is sausage and law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">If I'm a betting man I would say the Legislature will pass some very tenant friendly provisions tied to the governor lifting the moratorium. In other words, let the Legislature take the flak from those unpaid landlords.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:32 PM Sangeeta Saigal <<a ymailto="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com" href="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com">attorney@sangeetasaigal.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com" href="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com">attorney@sangeetasaigal.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Andrew Hay <<a ymailto="mailto:andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net" href="mailto:andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net">andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:MW3PR13MB399329DE82D2C6236A389F2AB2C40@MW3PR13MB3993.namprd13.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:MW3PR13MB399329DE82D2C6236A389F2AB2C40@MW3PR13MB3993.namprd13.prod.outlook.com">MW3PR13MB399329DE82D2C6236A389F2AB2C40@MW3PR13MB3993.namprd13.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">There may be a limited number of seeming injustices to landlords caused by the moratorium, but the harm to vast numbers of renters who typically live paycheck to paycheck ? or social security check to social security check ? would be much greater.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This graph shows the wealth disparity between those who own homes and those who don?t.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The disparity between corporate landlords and renters would be even more ridiculously imbalanced. In a time of crisis, the moratorium policy appropriately shifts burdens to those who can better afford it to protect the overall stability of the state and the nation.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Andrew Hay<br>
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<div dir="ltr">www.washingtonlaw.net<<a href="http://www.washingtonlaw.net/" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonlaw.net/</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a ymailto="mailto:andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net" href="mailto:andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net">andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net" href="mailto:andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net">andrewhay@washingtonlaw.net</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] On Behalf Of Rani K. Sampson<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:48 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Washington Landlord Association says that it ?has become a Plaintiff in a state lawsuit to stop the madness as well as supporting a Federal lawsuit financially with the same goal.? WLA?s Executive Director is Everett attorney, Rob Trickler.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In the meantime, proposed tenant-protections laws for next session can be seen here:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Eviction Reform - Landlord Tenant Protections - Draft - SUMMARY<<a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=0016xBNrvCGpuqtxj-u0QHd1WcIK79HR0K2nSIcHW4Lhy608EqHJczWUFQciVgluXswrmiFHmIHGoaHvh4lwW2c_gc6kHMx9FZEsnlgjQ7Lt2XWavKBV8bu93YnWEnYeDQjaN0XV90_N3ESQJFK_OQQj8Fhi-pFd0CM2oco7QBhc-VTDqOwr3w8NnmhZZy2Z-PPeETx8qIaQaYn5WDBf4iibczeJYx4eQn9qOL1bn429Kk=&c=ibxhavcAX8moKCW_wWGf2myqQgcKPwHVPy2f9DbCcqZKGKwYYUOUhg==&ch=VptldhPJG85Uqv6l5MYzzsb9g1H7Oq1tIl7UXoIoN2CmsegeYA1yBg==" target="_blank">http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=0016xBNrvCGpuqtxj-u0QHd1WcIK79HR0K2nSIcHW4Lhy608EqHJczWUFQciVgluXswrmiFHmIHGoaHvh4lwW2c_gc6kHMx9FZEsnlgjQ7Lt2XWavKBV8bu93YnWEnYeDQjaN0XV90_N3ESQJFK_OQQj8Fhi-pFd0CM2oco7QBhc-VTDqOwr3w8NnmhZZy2Z-PPeETx8qIaQaYn5WDBf4iibczeJYx4eQn9qOL1bn429Kk=&c=ibxhavcAX8moKCW_wWGf2myqQgcKPwHVPy2f9DbCcqZKGKwYYUOUhg==&ch=VptldhPJG85Uqv6l5MYzzsb9g1H7Oq1tIl7UXoIoN2CmsegeYA1yBg==</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Rob Rowley<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:15 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As a lowly dirt attorney a little bit beyond my pay grade.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">My observation is that regulatory taking and substantive due process for landlords is largely dead in Washington state (unless you are a tenant) after the Yim I and Yim II (2019) cases. There was an excellent article about those cases in the RPPT newsletter.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Just wait till rent control (aka ?housing stability?) steamrolls through not this session but probably the following legislative session.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> On Behalf Of Jennifer L White<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 10:53 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I?m curious if any of you LL/T gurus and/or real property litigators are considering filing some kind of action or class action on a constitutional takings basis? It seems to me that the government has turned private landlords into unwilling purveyors of public housing. All of these regulations/laws were hastily conceived and handed down by fiat. The result has been a tremendous and concentrated loss to private property owners. Perhaps it has to play out further? Have to wait to quantify the exact loss when the moratoriums end and you work through getting them out under all of these onerous ?drag it out? policies benefiting only tenants? We all know that deadbeat tenants are never going to pay up even a tiny fraction of what they owe. That is but a legal illusion of justice for the property owners.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 6:49 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As I tell my landlord clients we lawyers don't like guaranteeing anything but there is one thing I will guarantee is that the Governor will extend the moratorium sometime into 2021.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, I suspect that Pres. Biden (once in office) will also extend the CDC moratorium which is scheduled to lapse on December 31 which is only for nonpayment of rent.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You also have to look at your local county to see if they are part of the Eviction Resolution Program. Spokane County where I am based out of is a part of the ERP and eventually once the moratorium is lifted we have to participate in the program.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, the upcoming legislative session has a number of bills which will be filed which will essentially make it near impossible to evict a for rent (or anything) anytime soon (month to month goes away for a while). Who knows what actually will pass as law is a different question. Two things that you never want to see being made is sausage and law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://files.constantcontact.com/4d179692501/55a538ca-e731-49eb-a80d-9a7300174631.pdf" target="_blank">https://files.constantcontact.com/4d179692501/55a538ca-e731-49eb-a80d-9a7300174631.pdf</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">If I'm a betting man I would say the Legislature will pass some very tenant friendly provisions tied to the governor lifting the moratorium. In other words, let the Legislature take the flak from those unpaid landlords.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:32 PM Sangeeta Saigal <<a ymailto="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com" href="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com">attorney@sangeetasaigal.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com" href="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com">attorney@sangeetasaigal.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">According to how I understand the proclamation this moratorium applies to tenants who have lost their jobs or source of income related to Covid.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Kary Krismer <<a ymailto="mailto:Krismer@comcast.net" href="mailto:Krismer@comcast.net">Krismer@comcast.net</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:be0c5c67-fb5a-50f1-da24-bdbdac64ac9b@comcast.net" href="mailto:be0c5c67-fb5a-50f1-da24-bdbdac64ac9b@comcast.net">be0c5c67-fb5a-50f1-da24-bdbdac64ac9b@comcast.net</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing.? The moratorium protects an entire class regardless <br>
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<div dir="ltr">need.? If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, <br>
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<div dir="ltr">but it's not.? Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term <br>
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<div dir="ltr">adverse effects on those who actually need the protection.? The <br>
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<div dir="ltr">moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them <br>
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<div dir="ltr">to make bad decisions.? Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor <br>
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<div dir="ltr">bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own.? <br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> I will take the pro moratorium position.? Donning my suit of armor at <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> any health crisis in 100 years.? The moratoriums are a policy <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> renters.? As a group they are either poor or old or both.? They are <br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: "K. Garl Long" <<a ymailto="mailto:Garl@longlaw.biz" href="mailto:Garl@longlaw.biz">Garl@longlaw.biz</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:450036b8-489d-1d5f-feac-ad36952ccbda@longlaw.biz" href="mailto:450036b8-489d-1d5f-feac-ad36952ccbda@longlaw.biz">450036b8-489d-1d5f-feac-ad36952ccbda@longlaw.biz</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">So, all renters are pour and exploited, and all owners are rich greedy <br>
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<div dir="ltr">exploiters.? Like the renter who told me how he appreciated renting my <br>
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<div dir="ltr">of return on my fixed asset. Or the owner facing the failure of his <br>
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<div dir="ltr">The seizure of private assets from free market "exploiters" to fund <br>
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<div dir="ltr">government social policy always increases the power of government, and <br>
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<div dir="ltr">diminishes the liberty of citizens; it unavoidably foments societal <br>
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<div dir="ltr">disintegration. Small rental property owners, the ones most flexible <br>
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<div dir="ltr">with, and appreciative of, their tenants, are leaving the market as <br>
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<div dir="ltr">quickly as they can.? Tenants will be left to the true exploiters, <br>
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<div dir="ltr">government, and corporate tenements.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> I will take the pro moratorium position.? Donning my suit of armor at <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> any health crisis in 100 years.? The moratoriums are a policy <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> renters.? As a group they are either poor or old or both.? They are <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> There may be a limited number of seeming injustices to landlords <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> caused by the moratorium, but the harm to vast numbers of renters who <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> typically live paycheck to paycheck ? or social security check to <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> social security check ? would be much greater.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> This graph shows the wealth disparity between those who own homes and <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> The disparity between corporate landlords and renters would be even <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> more ridiculously imbalanced.? In a time of crisis, the moratorium <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> policy appropriately shifts burdens to those who can better afford it <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> to protect the overall stability of the state and the nation.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Washington Landlord Association says that it ?has become a Plaintiff <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> in a state lawsuit to stop the madness as well as supporting a Federal <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> lawsuit financially with the same goal.? WLA?s Executive Director is <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Everett attorney, Rob Trickler.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> In the meantime, proposed tenant-protections laws for next session can <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *Eviction Reform - Landlord Tenant Protections - Draft - SUMMARY* <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> *On Behalf Of *Rob Rowley<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:15 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> As a lowly dirt attorney a little bit beyond my pay grade.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> My observation is that regulatory taking and substantive due process <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> for landlords is largely dead in Washington state (unless you are a <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> tenant) after the Yim I and Yim II (2019) cases.? There was an <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> excellent article about those cases in the RPPT newsletter.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Just wait till rent control (aka ?housing stability?) steamrolls <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> through not this session but probably the following legislative session.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> What say wiser counsel?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> *On Behalf Of *Jennifer L <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 10:53 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Rob,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> I?m curious if any of you LL/T gurus and/or real property litigators <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> constitutional takings basis? It seems to me that the government has <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> turned private landlords into unwilling purveyors of public housing. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> All of these regulations/laws were hastily conceived and handed down <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> by fiat. The result has been a tremendous and concentrated loss to <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> private property owners. Perhaps it has to play out further? Have to <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> wait to quantify the exact loss when the moratoriums end and you work <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> through getting them out under all of these onerous ?drag it out? <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> policies benefiting only tenants? We all know that deadbeat tenants <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> are never going to pay up even a tiny fraction of what they owe. That <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Jennifer L. White, Esq.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <a ymailto="mailto:jen@appletreelaw.com" href="mailto:jen@appletreelaw.com">jen@appletreelaw.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:jen@appletreelaw.com" href="mailto:jen@appletreelaw.com">jen@appletreelaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> PO Box 11037<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Yakima, WA 98909<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> 509.225.9813<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> *On Behalf Of *Rowley, Rob<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 6:49 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> As I tell my landlord clients we lawyers don't like guaranteeing <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> anything but there is one thing I will guarantee is that the <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Governor?will extend the moratorium sometime into 2021.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Also, I suspect that Pres. Biden (once in office) will also extend the <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> CDC?moratorium which is scheduled to lapse on December 31 which is <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> You also have to look at your local county to see if they are part of <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> the Eviction Resolution Program.??Spokane County?where I am based out <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> of is a part of the ERP?and?eventually once the moratorium is lifted <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> we have to participate in the program.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <a href="http://www.courts.wa.gov/newsinfo/index.cfm?fa=newsinfo.EvictionResolutionProgram" target="_blank">http://www.courts.wa.gov/newsinfo/index.cfm?fa=newsinfo.EvictionResolutionProgram</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Also, the upcoming legislative session has a number of?bills which <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> will be filed which will essentially make it near impossible to evict <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> a for rent (or anything) anytime soon (month to month goes away for a <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> while). Who knows what actually will pass as law is a different <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> question.??Two things that you never want to see being made?is sausage <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> and law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Summary:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <a href="https://files.constantcontact.com/4d179692501/55a538ca-e731-49eb-a80d-9a7300174631.pdf" target="_blank">https://files.constantcontact.com/4d179692501/55a538ca-e731-49eb-a80d-9a7300174631.pdf</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> If I'm a betting man I would say the Legislature will pass some very <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> tenant friendly provisions tied to the governor lifting the <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> moratorium.??In other words, let the Legislature take the flak?from <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> those unpaid landlords.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Interesting times we live in.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Rob Rowley<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Spokane<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:32 PM Sangeeta Saigal <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> <<a ymailto="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com" href="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com">attorney@sangeetasaigal.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com" href="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com">attorney@sangeetasaigal.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Hello Landlord Gurus,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> I understand that there is a moratorium against evictions until<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> December 31^st .<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> According to how I understand the proclamation this moratorium<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> applies to tenants who have lost their jobs or source of income<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> related to Covid.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> If a residential tenant has not lost their source of income ie. On<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> How best to approach such tenant who seems to be taking advantage<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Any advice would be really appreciated.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: "Rani K. Sampson" <<a ymailto="mailto:rani@overcastlaw.com" href="mailto:rani@overcastlaw.com">rani@overcastlaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are predictable: landlords will liquidate their real estate investments (they?ll sell). Tenants will have much less housing to choose from. Rental houses will be incredibly hard to find. The void might be filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords building projects.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is very bad for tenants, long term. The loss of rental housing will affect all of us.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:MW3PR12MB4346E0A406E98124D16416A7AEC40@MW3PR12MB4346.namprd12.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:MW3PR12MB4346E0A406E98124D16416A7AEC40@MW3PR12MB4346.namprd12.prod.outlook.com">MW3PR12MB4346E0A406E98124D16416A7AEC40@MW3PR12MB4346.namprd12.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">As Kary stated, if this was tied to actual COVID inability to pay I would have less problem with the moratorium. I have 135 doors and ALL of my total non payers are on an alphbet soup of government benefits that have not changed during covid. They choose not to pay rent because they don't have to. The Amazon packages keep arriving and cable TV with all the extras but no rent. This is Government enabled theft.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37:03 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own. They may just not wish to own for many different reasons.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Kary L. Krismer<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:59:22 +0000<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Chris B <<a ymailto="mailto:Chrisb@heckerwakefield.com" href="mailto:Chrisb@heckerwakefield.com">Chrisb@heckerwakefield.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:DS7PR05MB746134869C5AE5B49D32B22CDCC40@DS7PR05MB7461.namprd05.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:DS7PR05MB746134869C5AE5B49D32B22CDCC40@DS7PR05MB7461.namprd05.prod.outlook.com">DS7PR05MB746134869C5AE5B49D32B22CDCC40@DS7PR05MB7461.namprd05.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I just entered into an agreement to sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a package. All will be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are nice homes that I am proud to own, two of which have tenants in them for more than 10 years. While all my tenants are current in their rent, I no longer wish to be in the rental housing business in a state that is clearly trying to kill that business.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As they say, it is ?a feature, not a bug.?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:51 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are predictable: landlords will liquidate their real estate investments (they?ll sell). Tenants will have much less housing to choose from. Rental houses will be incredibly hard to find. The void might be filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords building projects.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is very bad for tenants, long term. The loss of rental housing will affect all of us.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Overcast Law Offices | Attorney<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> On Behalf Of Kary Krismer<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> to make bad decisions.? Back when I practiced law I did primarily <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own.? <br>
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<div dir="ltr">> They may just not wish to own for many different reasons.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: "Rani K. Sampson" <<a ymailto="mailto:rani@overcastlaw.com" href="mailto:rani@overcastlaw.com">rani@overcastlaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:BYAPR14MB322252E1EC2F347470F3F4ACD0C40@BYAPR14MB3222.namprd14.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:BYAPR14MB322252E1EC2F347470F3F4ACD0C40@BYAPR14MB3222.namprd14.prod.outlook.com">BYAPR14MB322252E1EC2F347470F3F4ACD0C40@BYAPR14MB3222.namprd14.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">There goes neighborhood economic diversity!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">With these new laws, the only people who can live in neighborhoods will be:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">a) wealthy people who can qualify for a loan,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">c) those who inherited from those in class ?b?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Overcast Law Offices | Attorney<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Chris B<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:59 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I just entered into an agreement to sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a package. All will be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are nice homes that I am proud to own, two of which have tenants in them for more than 10 years. While all my tenants are current in their rent, I no longer wish to be in the rental housing business in a state that is clearly trying to kill that business.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As they say, it is ?a feature, not a bug.?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hecker, Wakefield & Feilberg, P.S.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">321 First Avenue West, Seattle, WA 98119<br>
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<div dir="ltr">206.447-1900 office ? 206.447.9075 fax ? www. heckerwakefield.com<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:51 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are predictable: landlords will liquidate their real estate investments (they?ll sell). Tenants will have much less housing to choose from. Rental houses will be incredibly hard to find. The void might be filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords building projects.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is very bad for tenants, long term. The loss of rental housing will affect all of us.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Overcast Law Offices | Attorney<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> On Behalf Of Kary Krismer<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own. They may just not wish to own for many different reasons.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">*From:* <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">*Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I just entered into an agreement to sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As they say, it is ?a feature, not a bug.?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">*Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial<br>
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<div dir="ltr">losses are predictable: landlords will liquidate their real estate<br>
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<div dir="ltr">investments (they?ll sell). Tenants will have much less housing to choose<br>
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<div dir="ltr">from. Rental houses will be incredibly hard to find. The void might be<br>
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<div dir="ltr">filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords<br>
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<div dir="ltr">building projects.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is very bad for tenants, long term. The loss of rental housing will<br>
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<div dir="ltr">*Rani K. Sampson*<br>
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<div dir="ltr">*Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of<br>
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<div dir="ltr">it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on<br>
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<div dir="ltr">those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them<br>
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<div dir="ltr">a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I<br>
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<div dir="ltr">practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own. They<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: "Gregory L. Ursich" <<a ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:MWHPR17MB1501AB8530EC47A7D1409AAADCC40@MWHPR17MB1501.namprd17.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:MWHPR17MB1501AB8530EC47A7D1409AAADCC40@MWHPR17MB1501.namprd17.prod.outlook.com">MWHPR17MB1501AB8530EC47A7D1409AAADCC40@MWHPR17MB1501.namprd17.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">So sad Chris. Inslee is out of control.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I just entered into an agreement to sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a package. All will be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are nice homes that I am proud to own, two of which have tenants in them for more than 10 years. While all my tenants are current in their rent, I no longer wish to be in the rental housing business in a state that is clearly trying to kill that business.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As they say, it is ?a feature, not a bug.?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are predictable: landlords will liquidate their real estate investments (they?ll sell). Tenants will have much less housing to choose from. Rental houses will be incredibly hard to find. The void might be filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords building projects.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is very bad for tenants, long term. The loss of rental housing will affect all of us.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Rani K. Sampson<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Overcast Law Offices | Attorney<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own. They may just not wish to own for many different reasons.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Kary L. Krismer<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Craig Gourley <<a ymailto="mailto:craig@glgmail.com" href="mailto:craig@glgmail.com">craig@glgmail.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I leave for Texas, Tennessee and Florida on Jan 2 to look for alternative investments. Already moved some stuff to Alaska. I am selling all of my Washington state investments strictly due to the government control and taxing policies. I am a WA native but have had all I can take.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Rob Rowley<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 11:25 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to another. Voltaire.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> On Behalf Of Chris B<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:59 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I just entered into an agreement to sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a package. All will be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are nice homes that I am proud to own, two of which have tenants in them for more than 10 years. While all my tenants are current in their rent, I no longer wish to be in the rental housing business in a state that is clearly trying to kill that business.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As they say, it is ?a feature, not a bug.?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">206.447-1900 office ? 206.447.9075 fax ? www. heckerwakefield.com<<a href="http://heckerwakefield.com/" target="_blank">http://heckerwakefield.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> On Behalf Of Rani K. Sampson<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:51 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial losses are predictable: landlords will liquidate their real estate investments (they?ll sell). Tenants will have much less housing to choose from. Rental houses will be incredibly hard to find. The void might be filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords building projects.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is very bad for tenants, long term. The loss of rental housing will affect all of us.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> On Behalf Of Kary Krismer<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own. They may just not wish to own for many different reasons.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Stephen Brandli <<a ymailto="mailto:steve@brandlilaw.com" href="mailto:steve@brandlilaw.com">steve@brandlilaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:MWHPR19MB10887EE6A377C9D0134C15B8C0C40@MWHPR19MB1088.namprd19.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:MWHPR19MB10887EE6A377C9D0134C15B8C0C40@MWHPR19MB1088.namprd19.prod.outlook.com">MWHPR19MB10887EE6A377C9D0134C15B8C0C40@MWHPR19MB1088.namprd19.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I do free consultations as a community service and typically get a steady stream of tenants. Lately, I have had a steady stream of landlords. Of the few who have called because they are not receiving rent, they are suffering economic hardship as a result of that loss in income. More importantly, the rest have had real reasons to evict unrelated to money including harassing behavior and boyfriend/girlfriends of non-owning family members who have left leaving the boyfriends/girlfriends who refuse to leave. This law is very broad and has many unintended consequences. I?m not concerned so much about the armor, it?s the sword slashing indiscriminately.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:20 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">There may be a limited number of seeming injustices to landlords caused by the moratorium, but the harm to vast numbers of renters who typically live paycheck to paycheck ? or social security check to social security check ? would be much greater.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This graph shows the wealth disparity between those who own homes and those who don?t.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The disparity between corporate landlords and renters would be even more ridiculously imbalanced. In a time of crisis, the moratorium policy appropriately shifts burdens to those who can better afford it to protect the overall stability of the state and the nation.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Washington Landlord Association says that it ?has become a Plaintiff in a state lawsuit to stop the madness as well as supporting a Federal lawsuit financially with the same goal.? WLA?s Executive Director is Everett attorney, Rob Trickler.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As a lowly dirt attorney a little bit beyond my pay grade.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">My observation is that regulatory taking and substantive due process for landlords is largely dead in Washington state (unless you are a tenant) after the Yim I and Yim II (2019) cases. There was an excellent article about those cases in the RPPT newsletter.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Just wait till rent control (aka ?housing stability?) steamrolls through not this session but probably the following legislative session.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I?m curious if any of you LL/T gurus and/or real property litigators are considering filing some kind of action or class action on a constitutional takings basis? It seems to me that the government has turned private landlords into unwilling purveyors of public housing. All of these regulations/laws were hastily conceived and handed down by fiat. The result has been a tremendous and concentrated loss to private property owners. Perhaps it has to play out further? Have to wait to quantify the exact loss when the moratoriums end and you work through getting them out under all of these onerous ?drag it out? policies benefiting only tenants? We all know that deadbeat tenants are never going to pay up even a tiny fraction of what they owe. That is but a legal illusion of justice for the property owners.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As I tell my landlord clients we lawyers don't like guaranteeing anything but there is one thing I will guarantee is that the Governor will extend the moratorium sometime into 2021.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, I suspect that Pres. Biden (once in office) will also extend the CDC moratorium which is scheduled to lapse on December 31 which is only for nonpayment of rent.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You also have to look at your local county to see if they are part of the Eviction Resolution Program. Spokane County where I am based out of is a part of the ERP and eventually once the moratorium is lifted we have to participate in the program.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, the upcoming legislative session has a number of bills which will be filed which will essentially make it near impossible to evict a for rent (or anything) anytime soon (month to month goes away for a while). Who knows what actually will pass as law is a different question. Two things that you never want to see being made is sausage and law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://files.constantcontact.com/4d179692501/55a538ca-e731-49eb-a80d-9a7300174631.pdf" target="_blank">https://files.constantcontact.com/4d179692501/55a538ca-e731-49eb-a80d-9a7300174631.pdf</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">If I'm a betting man I would say the Legislature will pass some very tenant friendly provisions tied to the governor lifting the moratorium. In other words, let the Legislature take the flak from those unpaid landlords.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:32 PM Sangeeta Saigal <<a ymailto="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com" href="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com">attorney@sangeetasaigal.com</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com" href="mailto:attorney@sangeetasaigal.com">attorney@sangeetasaigal.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that there is a moratorium against evictions until December 31st.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">According to how I understand the proclamation this moratorium applies to tenants who have lost their jobs or source of income related to Covid.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Christy M <<a ymailto="mailto:talk2much84@msn.com" href="mailto:talk2much84@msn.com">talk2much84@msn.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I do free consultations as a community service and typically get a steady stream of tenants. Lately, I have had a steady stream of landlords. Of the few who have called because they are not receiving rent, they are suffering economic hardship as a result of that loss in income. More importantly, the rest have had real reasons to evict unrelated to money including harassing behavior and boyfriend/girlfriends of non-owning family members who have left leaving the boyfriends/girlfriends who refuse to leave. This law is very broad and has many unintended consequences. I?m not concerned so much about the armor, it?s the sword slashing indiscriminately.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The disparity between corporate landlords and renters would be even more ridiculously imbalanced. In a time of crisis, the moratorium policy appropriately shifts burdens to those who can better afford it to protect the overall stability of the state and the nation.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As I tell my landlord clients we lawyers don't like guaranteeing anything but there is one thing I will guarantee is that the Governor will extend the moratorium sometime into 2021.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, the upcoming legislative session has a number of bills which will be filed which will essentially make it near impossible to evict a for rent (or anything) anytime soon (month to month goes away for a while). Who knows what actually will pass as law is a different question. Two things that you never want to see being made is sausage and law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that there is a moratorium against evictions until December 31st.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">According to how I understand the proclamation this moratorium applies to tenants who have lost their jobs or source of income related to Covid.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: "Gregory L. Ursich" <<a ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:MWHPR17MB1501B5BB818A4D446DB81EF0DCC40@MWHPR17MB1501.namprd17.prod.outlook.com" href="mailto:MWHPR17MB1501B5BB818A4D446DB81EF0DCC40@MWHPR17MB1501.namprd17.prod.outlook.com">MWHPR17MB1501B5BB818A4D446DB81EF0DCC40@MWHPR17MB1501.namprd17.prod.outlook.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">The proper fix to all of this is temporary rental relief for a set amount per month for a fixed term; payable directly to the landlords bank account for that tenant. If tenant is eligible, refused to participate, and still did not pay rent, then the moratorium as to eviction is waived for that tenant for non-payment of rent. They have set up this exact program in B. C. Canada, just north of us. It is logical and creates economic benefit and stability for both groups.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This would get tenants current on rent, landlords paid, and freeloaders evicted.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Gregory L. Ursich<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] On Behalf Of Kary Krismer<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session<br>
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<div dir="ltr">You're generalizing. The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need. If it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not. Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those who actually need the protection. The moratorium may have given them a false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions. Back when I practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would ever advise them to make.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own. They may just not wish to own for many different reasons.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will take the pro moratorium position. Donning my suit of armor at the same time?..<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any health crisis in 100 years. The moratoriums are a policy protecting the most vulnerable people in the population as a whole ? renters. As a group they are either poor or old or both. They are people who can?t afford homes due to lack of wealth.<br>
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