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<div style="color:black;font:10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> While we may not know all the facts yet on what prompted the SC to change the rules, what we do know is that they initially agreed with the Board of Governors to not suspend the bar exam requirement. Dean Clark then
<div>writes a letter to the SC and two days later the rule got changed. I am not aware of any input from any other law school. I am not aware of any input from any other person or entity in that two day period. Interestingly, the court</div>
<div>suspended APR 3 and 4. It did not suspend APR 1(b) which requires the bar exam. The SC had the power under its own rules to modify a rule in an expedited fashion for "exceptional circumstances" under APR 9(j). But as I read that rule,</div>
<div>they still have to comply with APR 9(i) or (h). I have no information they did. So subject to learning more about what occurred, they have violated their own rules. Of course, under case law, they have the inherent power to do as they please.</div>
<div> Even if the SC felt that Dean Clark's letter had substance, the SC could have granted provisional licenses subject to passing a bar exam when it becomes available.</div>
<div> The letter from Dean Clark indicates that the faculty at the Seattle University faculty unanimously supports the idea of a study to determine if the bar exam should be eliminated. </div>
<div> I think there is a great danger in allowing law schools, not just the three in Washington, but all "accredited" law schools from, essentially, determining who is qualified to practice law, that anyone who gets a JD is, per se, qualified. That is certainly a debatable proposition and, arguably, presumptuous. I think what can be safely asserted is that we regularly build into our systems checks and balances. Doing away with the bar exam would eliminate that. </div>
<div> The BOG is meeting this Friday and Saturday(virtually), and this is on Fridays agenda. Our bar association is meeting tomorrow to discuss this. I would encourage bar members to write the BOG and the SC to express their opinions.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a very short version of my personal experience and opinion as to<br>
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<div dir="ltr">why I believe eradicating the attorney bar exam is not the way to go.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I entered law school in my mid-50's, which is another story, but here is<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> I have some mis-givings about this, especially in the light of the basis<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dean Clark speaks to the recent trauma experienced by those who would be in<br>
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<div dir="ltr">While I was in law school (remember, graduating in 2-16), I lost several<br>
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<div dir="ltr">close family members. It was traumatic, but I kept compartmenteling my<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I took several bar prep classes and was ready to headlong into the exam<br>
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<div dir="ltr">process. Once I received my diploma, however, I found myself constantly<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I took the July exam, but failed passing by a few points. I was not<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This did not prohibit me from gainful employment in the legal field as a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">After having the chance to process the loss, my head was in a much better<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I am sharing this because, although it is just my own personal experience.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">in hindsight, if I had passed the first time around and gone straight into<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I do not agree that the Bar exam is only about memorization, it includes<br>
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<div dir="ltr">other elements, including endurance. My personal opinion is that lawyers<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Best,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">> I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now<br>
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<div dir="ltr">> practice law without taking the bar exam this year. This letter (copy<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 19:29:26 +0000<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Joshua McKarcher <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] [WSBAPT] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Laurel,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is compelling and relevant. I hope you will decide to share it with the court.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Cc: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>; David J. Lawyer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlawyer@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dlawyer@insleebest.com">dlawyer@insleebest.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a very short version of my personal experience and opinion as to why I believe eradicating the attorney bar exam is not the way to go.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I entered law school in my mid-50's, which is another story, but here is what I would (if you allow) add to a petition:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dean Clark speaks to the recent trauma experienced by those who would be in a position to be taking the Attorney bar exam.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">While I was in law school (remember, graduating in 2-16), I lost several close family members. It was traumatic, but I kept compartmenteling my feelings because classes and studying for exams was the priority.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">After having the chance to process the loss, my head was in a much better place. I studied again and took the Bar the following February and passed with a couple dozen points to spare.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I am sharing this because, although it is just my own personal experience. in hindsight, if I had passed the first time around and gone straight into practicing law (without having processed my trauma, loss, grief), I do not think I would have been as effective for my clients.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I do not agree that the Bar exam is only about memorization, it includes other elements, including endurance. My personal opinion is that lawyers should continue to take the Attorney Bar exam, but after giving themselves time to process their own personal feelings and issues.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Something to ruminate on, for sure.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Fellow Listservs and RPPT section members:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It?s a shame these graduates won?t experience the ?Taking of the Bar? which ranks right up there with the more traumatic events of my life and 54 years later I still have dreams about it.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In my view, their decision is wrong at minimum because of the apparently permanent nature of the admission to practice; and the (again apparently permanent) application to re-takers (truly just a shocking ?wave of the wand? by a court entrusted to safeguard the public in its management of a very powerful profession).<br>
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<div dir="ltr">But even if their decision were right on the substance (or eventually is determined to be right on the substance), the utter lack of process, adversarial presentation, notice and comment ? anything ? is just plain shocking. If they indeed received a letter from law school professors on June 10 and drafted and issued an order on June 12 that is so fundamentally ?disruptive of the norm,? then they violated the spirit of their inherent authority to manage the bar, if not the literal law applicable to their authority to manage the bar.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of Josh Grant <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jgrant@accima.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jgrant@accima.com">jgrant@accima.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">While an argument can be made that those who aren?t able to take the test under these special circumstances should get a license (and yes why not make it provisional?) I think it is very poor judgment to grant a license to someone who flunked the test!! This doesn?t make sense to me.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: "Carla J. Higginson" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:carla@higginsonbeyer.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:carla@higginsonbeyer.com">carla@higginsonbeyer.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs<br>
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<div dir="ltr">?Hi John,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Send your comments to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov">supreme@courts.wa.gov</a> with a copy to me at <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Carla@higginsonbeyer.com." target="_blank" href="mailto:Carla@higginsonbeyer.com.">Carla@higginsonbeyer.com.</a> I will pass them on to the entire Board of Governors.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Jun 23, 2020, at 12:59 PM, John McLaughlin <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:johnpmclaughlin@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:johnpmclaughlin@hotmail.com">johnpmclaughlin@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:47:10 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree. Perhaps the most disturbing part of this situation is the utter lack of process the Court apparently chose to pursue. They are not subject to something like the federal APA, I realize, but we are still in a state that respects the rule of law, proper processes, reasoned decision making, and thoughtful contemplation of dramatic changes to long-standing rules and norms.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In my view, their decision is wrong at minimum because of the apparently permanent nature of the admission to practice; and the (again apparently permanent) application to re-takers (truly just a shocking ?wave of the wand? by a court entrusted to safeguard the public in its management of a very powerful profession).<br>
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<div dir="ltr">But even if their decision were right on the substance (or eventually is determined to be right on the substance), the utter lack of process, adversarial presentation, notice and comment ? anything ? is just plain shocking. If they indeed received a letter from law school professors on June 10 and drafted and issued an order on June 12 that is so fundamentally ?disruptive of the norm,? then they violated the spirit of their inherent authority to manage the bar, if not the literal law applicable to their authority to manage the bar.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">To me, this order goes far beyond any other orders or oversight they have provided to the recently tumultuous WSBA. I have not reacted at all to any of those orders or oversight efforts. To this one, I reacted with shocked disbelief. We few who did cannot be alone, and we cannot just be discounted as blind adherents to the way things have always been.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Best regards, Josh<br>
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<div dir="ltr">While an argument can be made that those who aren?t able to take the test under these special circumstances should get a license (and yes why not make it provisional?) I think it is very poor judgment to grant a license to someone who flunked the test!! This doesn?t make sense to me.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 20:16:07 +0000<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Joshua McKarcher <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Per Carla, direct comments to:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of John McLaughlin <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:johnpmclaughlin@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:johnpmclaughlin@hotmail.com">johnpmclaughlin@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of Joshua McKarcher <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:47:10 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree. Perhaps the most disturbing part of this situation is the utter lack of process the Court apparently chose to pursue. They are not subject to something like the federal APA, I realize, but we are still in a state that respects the rule of law, proper processes, reasoned decision making, and thoughtful contemplation of dramatic changes to long-standing rules and norms.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In my view, their decision is wrong at minimum because of the apparently permanent nature of the admission to practice; and the (again apparently permanent) application to re-takers (truly just a shocking ?wave of the wand? by a court entrusted to safeguard the public in its management of a very powerful profession).<br>
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<div dir="ltr">But even if their decision were right on the substance (or eventually is determined to be right on the substance), the utter lack of process, adversarial presentation, notice and comment ? anything ? is just plain shocking. If they indeed received a letter from law school professors on June 10 and drafted and issued an order on June 12 that is so fundamentally ?disruptive of the norm,? then they violated the spirit of their inherent authority to manage the bar, if not the literal law applicable to their authority to manage the bar.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of Josh Grant <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jgrant@accima.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jgrant@accima.com">jgrant@accima.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">While an argument can be made that those who aren?t able to take the test under these special circumstances should get a license (and yes why not make it provisional?) I think it is very poor judgment to grant a license to someone who flunked the test!! This doesn?t make sense to me.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It also looks like Dean Clark set the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the bar exam altogether.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov">supreme@courts.wa.gov</a> with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is 1-888-788-0099 or 1-877-853-5247 and the meeting ID is: 956 2364 5735.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I?ll add that as a professional fiduciary and attorney we often see the fallout of substandard legal work. The public pays the price for this, and when it results in engaging the courts that price can be quite high. Sorry to say, but this is our experience from attorneys who have passed the bar. None of us is perfect, that?s for sure, and I have made my share of mistakes, however, the knowledge and discipline required to pass the bar seems to be to be an important filter to obtaining a license with a significant impact on the public.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Also, we hire people with law degrees, and greatly appreciate the skill sets they bring, even though that person may not be a member of the bar. In particular, we would want someone with the education, but who really is not interested in the private practice.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Regards,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Mark<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Mark C. Vohr, Esq.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Laurel Brown<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a very short version of my personal experience and opinion as to why I believe eradicating the attorney bar exam is not the way to go.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I entered law school in my mid-50's, which is another story, but here is what I would (if you allow) add to a petition:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> I have some mis-givings about this, especially in the light of the basis for making the request by Annette Clark.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dean Clark speaks to the recent trauma experienced by those who would be in a position to be taking the Attorney bar exam.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">While I was in law school (remember, graduating in 2-16), I lost several close family members. It was traumatic, but I kept compartmenteling my feelings because classes and studying for exams was the priority.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I took several bar prep classes and was ready to headlong into the exam process. Once I received my diploma, however, I found myself constantly distracted while studying for the Bar. I also hit a point where my brain just did not want to retain the information I was working so hard to memorize.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I took the July exam, but failed passing by a few points. I was not surprised with the fail. Afterwards, I took a month to just process the trauma and loss of my close family members.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This did not prohibit me from gainful employment in the legal field as a paralegal.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">After having the chance to process the loss, my head was in a much better place. I studied again and took the Bar the following February and passed with a couple dozen points to spare.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I am sharing this because, although it is just my own personal experience. in hindsight, if I had passed the first time around and gone straight into practicing law (without having processed my trauma, loss, grief), I do not think I would have been as effective for my clients.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I do not agree that the Bar exam is only about memorization, it includes other elements, including endurance. My personal opinion is that lawyers should continue to take the Attorney Bar exam, but after giving themselves time to process their own personal feelings and issues.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Best,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It also looks like Dean Clark set the stage to appeal to the Court to consider doing away with the bar exam altogether.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Fellow Listservs and RPPT section members:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Below please find an important message from Carla Higginson, WSBA Governor for District 2.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">?Colleagues,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> from the Seattle University law school dean asking that their graduates be allowed to practice law without taking the bar exam this year. This letter (copy attached) was sent directly to the Court and I did not know the request had been made until after the Court issued its decision (copy attached), so there was no opportunity to alert members to the request or obtain member comment.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The pass rate statistics are as follows:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">For attorney applicants, the Winter 2020 bar exam resulted in approximately 49 percent passage rate, so slightly more than half of all attorney applicants failed.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">For LLLT applicants, the Winter 2020 exam was a 40% pass rate (4 passed out of 10). The Summer 2019 exam was a 25% pass rate (1 passed out of 4). Over the last four LLLT exams, a total of 8 out of 24 passed.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov">supreme@courts.wa.gov</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov">supreme@courts.wa.gov</a>> with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is 1-888-788-0099 or 1-877-853-5247 and the meeting ID is: 956 2364 5735.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: Tim Knowling <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tim@knowlinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tim@knowlinglaw.com">tim@knowlinglaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] referral needed<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:6356f4c5ec1f46038dedde880ad8f454@knowlinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:6356f4c5ec1f46038dedde880ad8f454@knowlinglaw.com">6356f4c5ec1f46038dedde880ad8f454@knowlinglaw.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:23:23 -0700<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nestor@pplsweb.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:nestor@pplsweb.com">nestor@pplsweb.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">To: "'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] [WSBAPT] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is not right. As stated, a provisional entry with an obligation to pass the bar with 12 months should be the route.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Bryce Dille<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 12:39 PM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] [WSBAPT] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It?s a shame these graduates won?t experience the ?Taking of the Bar? which ranks right up there with the more traumatic events of my life and 54 years later I still have dreams about it.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> > On Behalf Of Joshua McKarcher<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 12:29 PM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> >; WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> ><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Laurel,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is compelling and relevant. I hope you will decide to share it with the court.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Best regards, Josh<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> > on behalf of Laurel Brown <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:laurel.brown8385@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:laurel.brown8385@gmail.com">laurel.brown8385@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:laurel.brown8385@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:laurel.brown8385@gmail.com">laurel.brown8385@gmail.com</a>> ><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Cc: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> >; David J. Lawyer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlawyer@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dlawyer@insleebest.com">dlawyer@insleebest.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlawyer@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dlawyer@insleebest.com">dlawyer@insleebest.com</a>> ><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads <br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is a very short version of my personal experience and opinion as to why I believe eradicating the attorney bar exam is not the way to go.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I entered law school in my mid-50's, which is another story, but here is what I would (if you allow) add to a petition:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> I have some mis-givings about this, especially in the light of the basis for making the request by Annette Clark.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dean Clark speaks to the recent trauma experienced by those who would be in a position to be taking the Attorney bar exam.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">While I was in law school (remember, graduating in 2-16), I lost several close family members. It was traumatic, but I kept compartmenteling my feelings because classes and studying for exams was the priority.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I took several bar prep classes and was ready to headlong into the exam process. Once I received my diploma, however, I found myself constantly distracted while studying for the Bar. I also hit a point where my brain just did not want to retain the information I was working so hard to memorize.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I took the July exam, but failed passing by a few points. I was not surprised with the fail. Afterwards, I took a month to just process the trauma and loss of my close family members. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">This did not prohibit me from gainful employment in the legal field as a paralegal.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">After having the chance to process the loss, my head was in a much better place. I studied again and took the Bar the following February and passed with a couple dozen points to spare.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I am sharing this because, although it is just my own personal experience. in hindsight, if I had passed the first time around and gone straight into practicing law (without having processed my trauma, loss, grief), I do not think I would have been as effective for my clients.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I do not agree that the Bar exam is only about memorization, it includes other elements, including endurance. My personal opinion is that lawyers should continue to take the Attorney Bar exam, but after giving themselves time to process their own personal feelings and issues.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Fellow Listservs and RPPT section members:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>> on behalf of Joshua McKarcher <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:47:10 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs andABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree. Perhaps the most disturbing part of this situation is the utter lack of process the Court apparently chose to pursue. They are not subject to something like the federal APA, I realize, but we are still in a state that respects the rule of law, proper processes, reasoned decision making, and thoughtful contemplation of dramatic changes to long-standing rules and norms.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In my view, their decision is wrong at minimum because of the apparently permanent nature of the admission to practice; and the (again apparently permanent) application to re-takers (truly just a shocking ?wave of the wand? by a court entrusted to safeguard the public in its management of a very powerful profession).<br>
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<div dir="ltr">But even if their decision were right on the substance (or eventually is determined to be right on the substance), the utter lack of process, adversarial presentation, notice and comment ? anything ? is just plain shocking. If they indeed received a letter from law school professors on June 10 and drafted and issued an order on June 12 that is so fundamentally ?disruptive of the norm,? then they violated the spirit of their inherent authority to manage the bar, if not the literal law applicable to their authority to manage the bar.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">While an argument can be made that those who aren?t able to take the test under these special circumstances should get a license (and yes why not make it provisional?) I think it is very poor judgment to grant a license to someone who flunked the test!! This doesn?t make sense to me.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As you may recall, I am on the Board of Governors. I am writing with regard to the Court?s recent decision to allow law school graduates to skip the bar exam this year. Here is some background. The Board of Governors was approached at our April meeting by law students asking that graduates be allowed to practice without taking the bar exam due to the COVID-19 situation. The Board voted 12 to 1 not to do so and urged the Court to require that the exam be held. The exam was scheduled to be held in several locations rather than one, and in both July and September, to minimize travel and associated virus risks by insuring that there was plenty of room in the exam rooms to follow social distancing requirements. The Board felt that requiring applicants to take and pass the bar exam was important to protect the public and ensure qualified and competent attorneys. The Court initially accepted this recommendation, but has now reversed itself, apparently in response to a letter!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov">supreme@courts.wa.gov</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov">supreme@courts.wa.gov</a>> with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is 1-888-788-0099 or 1-877-853-5247 and the meeting ID is: 956 2364 5735.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] Lien stripping - referral<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Listmates, I have a new client referral that needs guidance regarding stripping an old DOT. Short story is property owner went through bankruptcy years ago, reaffirmed the first and has never paid anything on the second. Debt on second was discharged but no effort was made to strip the lien in the banko. This is not my wheelhouse. Any takers??<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with Laurel, Andrekita and Gregory and would sign a group letter if proposed. Best regards,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">. June 22, 2020<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Although I really like to keep an open mind about testing, and although I wasn't aware that some states had wiped out this requirement so hadn't given it much thought, this seems a little sweeping to me, too.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">If there is a letter being circulated that we can sign, please send it to me as I would like to either sign off or write my own.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Maybe I would write my own but attach yours and reference it. I assume many letters have more impact than one signed by a bunch of people.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Quoting Laurel Brown <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:laurel.brown8385@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:laurel.brown8385@gmail.com">laurel.brown8385@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:laurel.brown8385@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:laurel.brown8385@gmail.com">laurel.brown8385@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I for one, would be willing to sign your letter. I would also be willing to offer up my personal experiences and opinion on this matter, should you be interested.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Gregory L. Ursich <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com">gursich@insleebest.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I, for one, plan to write to the Supreme Court on this issue. This broad and sweeping decision to exempt all applicants for the summer 2020 bar exams to never have to take the bar in Washington is too broad. First, bar applicants who previously failed the Washington bar, no matter how many times, are now automatically admitted if signed up for the Summer 2020 exams (July and September). Second, the last bar exam pass rate was only 49%. When I took the bar in 1989, the pass rate was only 62%. I certainly have not followed bar passage rates in Washington, but I think they have varied between about 45% to 75% over the last 30 years. The exam is a competency measure to protect the public and to ensure a certain level of competency to practice law in Washington. We are a profession with many technical rules and requirements and the public deserves the protection the bar exam provides.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">A more balanced approach could be that the 2020 summer exam applicants are admitted on a provisional basis and can practice law so long as they sit for the bar exam by the summer of 2021. Their admission to the bar would remain valid until the results are announced for the summer 2021 exam in the fall of 2021. If they pass that exam their admission continues. If they fail the bar exam in either the winter of 2021 or summer 2021, then their provisional admission ends until they take the exam again and pass. This approach balances the effect of the Corona Crisis on studying for and passing the bar exam during the crisis and allows for gainful employment in the interim. This approach would also protect the public because those who ultimately have a problem passing the exam will not be admitted on a long term basis until they can show their basic competency to practice law.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I understand that this approach of temporary licensing is being used by the Washington State boards that license dentists and pharmacists; similarly it should apply to lawyers. I encourage each of you to write to the Supreme Court on this important issue for our profession. ?Greg Ursich<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Supreme Court Grants Diploma privilege to LLTs and ABA accredited law school grads<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:44 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Court?s decision allows candidates who have previously failed a bar exam or LLLT exam to automatically be granted diploma privileges to practice law as an attorney or LLLT. However, people who have completed the law clerk (APR 6) program and are registered for the bar exam must still take it, and apparently, so do limited practice officer candidates.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The Board of Governors is meeting on June 26th in virtual session and the Court?s decision to grant diploma privileges is on the agenda. It will probably occur about 4 pm. Unfortunately, there will not be more than about 45 minutes or so to discuss this very important topic, but I invite you to send letters to the Court: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov">supreme@courts.wa.gov</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov" target="_blank" href="mailto:supreme@courts.wa.gov">supreme@courts.wa.gov</a>> with a copy to me, and I will make sure that your comments are provided to the entire Board. If you wish to call in to the meeting, the number is 1-888-788-0099 or 1-877-853-5247 and the meeting ID is: 956 2364 5735.<br>
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