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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Roger--I agree that should be the result; but my concern is that depending on the timeshare company, they might decide to take it upon themselves to determine who the heirs are, and then start reporting to credit
agencies on the heirs' credit records. And start taking collection actions. Of course that might be in violation of Fair Debt Collection Practices Act etc. and there are likely defenses; but the entities that run timeshares appear to vary quite a bit in quality
and reasonableness, so I wouldn't just assume that a particular one is going to behave well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have thought about allowing a real estate timeshare to go to property tax foreclosure; but I don't think it works because I think the property tax gets paid usually by the timeshare company, and then assessed
against the member. Then the timeshare has an ostensible right to pursue the member in collections for unpaid amounts. In theory the company could foreclose the private lien, but why would they if they can continue to chase/harass the member for money? If
they foreclose, they're stuck with the mostly-unsellable timeshare interest themselves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 16, 2019 9:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Time Share Liability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it is a deeded piece of real estate, what happens if inheritors just don’t pay? If they don’t take title, the default should not show up on their credit report; and default would end up in foreclosure sale; correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 16, 2019 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'jeff@bellanddavispllc.com' <<a href="mailto:jeff@bellanddavispllc.com">jeff@bellanddavispllc.com</a>>; 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Time Share Liability<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There have been some great conversations on the listserv in the past on this topic, but I don't remember any clear solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Note, some timeshares are structured as memberships in an entity, while some are actual deed conveyances of minute fractional interests in real estate, with covenants on the real estate that create the timeshare
organization. What you are running into sounds like a timeshare based on deed conveyances, and the organization is taking the position that the real estate automatically passes on death to the heirs under RCW 11.04.250.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The problem I have encountered with the real-estate-based ones is, there is no actual way to "abandon" real estate. Practically our entire legal system is predicated on the notion that land is divisible and somebody
owns every square inch, everywhere. The inheritance rules are designed to always pass real estate on to another person at death, so there is never a gap in title.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have some creative thoughts (grandiose delusions) about fighting a timeshare based on unreasonable restraints on alienation: title held under such conditions as to make it effectively unmarketable forever.
I've also considered doing a chain of disclaimers among the heirs and their descendants to the point where the timeshare escheats to the State of Washington, and let the State deal with it. There might also be a Consumer Protection Act claim to be made in
some fashion, maybe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Maybe the timeshare company also would take title back, if the client just conveyed to them without any cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Seattle WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">fax 206-625-9040<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 16, 2019 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Time Share Liability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Listmates,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Elderly client, in her 90’s, with money, can no longer use her timeshare in Central Washington. We have tried three different exit services with no luck. Timeshare knows that client has money and has indicated that when she passes her
children will have to keep paying the maintenance fees. Have any of you ever run into this problem? Doesn’t death end the timeshare arrangement?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff Davis<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">W. Jeff Davis, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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