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<DIV><FONT size=4>What I usually tell an elderly client is “just don’t pay, but
you will be dealing with collection calls”, and my experience has been that
after death there are some time share companies who will file a creditor’s
claim, but none have done anything within 30 days after the PR files a
rejection. And the rejection is based on whatever facts seem to
work... fair debt collection practices act, Consumer protection act;
usury,? they don’t seem to want to litigate the rejection....unreasonable
restraint on alienation sounds like a good one?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #004080">Joshua F.
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Eric@sayrelawoffices.com
href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com">Eric Nelsen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:36 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">WSBA Real Property Listserv</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WSBARP] Time Share Liability</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Roger--I agree that should be
the result; but my concern is that depending on the timeshare company, they
might decide to take it upon themselves to determine who the heirs are, and then
start reporting to credit agencies on the heirs' credit records. And start
taking collection actions. Of course that might be in violation of Fair Debt
Collection Practices Act etc. and there are likely defenses; but the entities
that run timeshares appear to vary quite a bit in quality and reasonableness, so
I wouldn't just assume that a particular one is going to behave
well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">I have thought about allowing a
real estate timeshare to go to property tax foreclosure; but I don't think it
works because I think the property tax gets paid usually by the timeshare
company, and then assessed against the member. Then the timeshare has an
ostensible right to pursue the member in collections for unpaid amounts. In
theory the company could foreclose the private lien, but why would they if they
can continue to chase/harass the member for money? If they foreclose, they're
stuck with the mostly-unsellable timeshare interest
themselves.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Eric<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Eric C.
Nelsen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">SAYRE LAW
OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">1417 31st Ave
South<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Seattle
WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">phone
206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">fax
206-625-9040<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Roger Hawkes<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 16, 2019 9:47
AM<BR><B>To:</B> WSBA Real Property Listserv<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WSBARP]
Time Share Liability<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>If it is a deeded piece of real estate, what happens if
inheritors just don’t pay? If they don’t take title, the default should
not show up on their credit report; and default would end up in foreclosure
sale; correct?<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</A>
<<A
href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</A>>
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Eric Nelsen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 16, 2019 9:26
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'jeff@bellanddavispllc.com' <<A
href="mailto:jeff@bellanddavispllc.com">jeff@bellanddavispllc.com</A>>; 'WSBA
Real Property Listserv' <<A
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</A>><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [WSBARP] Time Share Liability<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">There have been some great
conversations on the listserv in the past on this topic, but I don't remember
any clear solution.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Note, some timeshares are
structured as memberships in an entity, while some are actual deed conveyances
of minute fractional interests in real estate, with covenants on the real estate
that create the timeshare organization. What you are running into sounds like a
timeshare based on deed conveyances, and the organization is taking the position
that the real estate automatically passes on death to the heirs under RCW
11.04.250.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">The problem I have encountered
with the real-estate-based ones is, there is no actual way to "abandon" real
estate. Practically our entire legal system is predicated on the notion that
land is divisible and somebody owns every square inch, everywhere. The
inheritance rules are designed to always pass real estate on to another person
at death, so there is never a gap in title.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">I have some creative thoughts
(grandiose delusions) about fighting a timeshare based on unreasonable
restraints on alienation: title held under such conditions as to make it
effectively unmarketable forever. I've also considered doing a chain of
disclaimers among the heirs and their descendants to the point where the
timeshare escheats to the State of Washington, and let the State deal with it.
There might also be a Consumer Protection Act claim to be made in some fashion,
maybe.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Maybe the timeshare company also
would take title back, if the client just conveyed to them without any
cost?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Eric<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Eric C.
Nelsen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">SAYRE LAW
OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">1417 31st Ave
South<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Seattle
WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">phone
206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #1f497d">fax
206-625-9040<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</A>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeff Davis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 16, 2019 8:43
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [WSBARP] Time
Share Liability<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Listmates,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Elderly client, in her 90’s, with money, can no longer use
her timeshare in Central Washington. We have tried three different exit
services with no luck. Timeshare knows that client has money and has
indicated that when she passes her children will have to keep paying the
maintenance fees. Have any of you ever run into this problem?
Doesn’t death end the timeshare arrangement?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Jeff Davis<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>W.
Jeff Davis, Esq.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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