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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Just looking at the case in which the owner contracts with a registered contractor and does not superintend: there seems to be a conflict between the section modified by the 2015 bill (18.27.010 definition of Contractor – owner need not register if hires contractor and does not superintend) and the 18.27.090(11) language cited by Bryce (exemption not applicable if owner owns for less than a year). I wonder if the 2015 bill purposely left 090(11) alone – or if its drafters just missed it. As a practical matter (as Bryce describes), it may not matter much – except to lawyers troubled by theoretical conflicts. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Tim Giacometti, Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Real Estate & Business Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>P.O. Box 51117<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Seattle, Washington 98115<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Ph: 206-498-2236<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:tim@giacometti-law.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>tim@giacometti-law.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.giacometti-law.com/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.giacometti-law.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bryce Dille<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 01, 2019 4:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Permit for a House flip<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Yes I would agree. Its my experience that the house flipper to save money doesn’t hire a general and then sits back but hires the specialty contractors like plumbers etc and supervises the work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Bryce H. Dille | Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dille Law, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>P: 360-350-0270 | F: 844-210-4503<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>2010 Caton Way SW, Suite 101<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Olympia, Washington 98502<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.dillelaw.com/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.dillelaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>This transmission contains confidential attorney-client communications and may not be disclosed to any person but the intended recipient(s). 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I know that requirement was imposed in 2008, but I thought that was changed in 2015 by <a href="http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Laws/House/1749-S.SL.pdf">SBH 1749</a>, which omits from the definition of a contractor any owner who "contracts with a registered general contractor and does not superintend the work." If the flipper is personally running the project, then yes, agreed, they still need a license, even if they hire a GC. But if the flipper is just an investor who buys a house, and then hires a GC to do all the work, and the owner isn't personally supervising the work, license no longer required. No?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=0 style='width:375.0pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=112 valign=top style='width:78.0pt;padding:0in 6.0pt 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=104 id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://img.mysignature.io/p/b/4/8/b4819345-7842-5e2d-9cc5-b98ecd6375bb.png?time=1556574346"><o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0in 11.25pt 0in 6.0pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px'><tr><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#000001'>Paul S. 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Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:30 AM Bryce Dille <<a href="mailto:Bryce@dillelaw.com">Bryce@dillelaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Your client is required to be a registered contractor and is not exempt even if client hires registered contractor to do the work if property sold or leased within 12 month RCW18.27.090(11). Therefore he must pull the permits and usually the permitting agency requires the person applying show they are a registered contractor unless they state that they are the owner and will not sell or lease the property in the 12 month period.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Bryce H. 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