<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>True in most cases. PC says that neighbor called ICE on his landscapers and code enforcement for ome other issue.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Nestor Gorfinkel, Esq.- Sent from my Samsung Device</div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Roger Moss <ram@pacific-ci.com> </div><div>Date: 6/25/19 10:08 AM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [WSBARP] rock path </div><div><br></div></div>And it takes a donkey to know one. The “victim” always has a role in the controversy. Always. I learned this from a business career, not in the Peace Corps. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><u style="font-style: italic;" class="">Especially</u> if your PC feels past nice aunt talk, all the more reason to invest in a holistic review from perspective of professional neutral (a real estate conflict resolution expert, not a volunteer from a DRC), along with contact by that person. Doing so would be a minimal investment of time and treasure, and will better position PC to get nasty later if that becomes inevitable.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bobby Kennedy once reflected that it “would sure feel good to bomb the shit out of Cuba." He enjoyed the moment, then found another way to avert the crisis. Same principle applies with border disputes.<br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:32 AM, <<a href="mailto:nestor@pplsweb.com" class="">nestor@pplsweb.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:nestor@pplsweb.com" class="">nestor@pplsweb.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for all your advice. However PC is past the nice aunt talk and he is dealing with a first class south end of a northbound donkey.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Licensed in Washington & Florida<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">ATTENTION - This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. 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As I tell my HOA clients, the first contact you make with someone with a potential violation has the primary purpose of making a friend for the association. Ask what they think. Be as gentle as you can. Make them appreciate your "help" getting them in compliance. As Roger says, you can always get aggressive later. A couple of documented attempts to be nice as pie always looks good to a judge, as well.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="">I call this my "favorite aunt" rule. Always treat the other side as you would want your favorite elderly aunt to be treated. At least until they themselves make that impossible.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="">Rob<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="">Robert D. Wilson-Hoss<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Hoss & Wilson-Hoss, LLP<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">236 West Birch Street<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Shelton, WA 98584<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">360 426-2999<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class=""><a href="x-msg://8/www.hossandwilsonhoss.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.hossandwilson-hoss.com</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:rob@hctc.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rob@hctc.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">This message is intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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Nature of the property? Is this an authentic boundary dispute, a misunderstanding, or possibly an action driven by confusion or illness?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Generally speaking, it is worth the effort to start gently, in order to avoid escalation of a "garden variety" dispute between neighbors. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Before moving rocks (and let's quantify things a bit - is this a gravel path or boulders set by a forklift?), your PC might consult with a professional neutral who provides conflict coaching in addition to other services. Did PC put the request in writing? If not, start there. PC should get help crafting the letter in soft language. Using a neutral to deliver the message can change up the conversation in remarkable ways. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">One can always get aggressive if circumstances warrant. Advance efforts to actually be neighborly, to address the issue collaboratively, will be noticed by a judge if the matter ends up in court for some reason.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Roger A. Moss, Esq. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(22, 110, 34);" class="">Pacific Conflict Intervention</span></i><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">206.790.1971 Seattle<br class="">415.371.9724 San Francisco<br class=""><span style="color: rgb(19, 110, 14);" class=""><a href="http://www.pacific-ci.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.pacific-ci.com</a></span><br class=""><br class="">Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-mail (including attachments, if any) is considered confidential and is intended only for the recipient(s) listed above. Any review, use, disclosure, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited except by or on behalf of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify me immediately by reply email, delete this email, and do not disclose its contents to anyone. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Jun 25, 2019, at 7:06 AM, <<a href="mailto:nestor@pplsweb.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nestor@pplsweb.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:nestor@pplsweb.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nestor@pplsweb.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">PC’s neighbor placed some rocks creating a path which comes onto PC’s property. After advising neighbor to remove them and he refuses, is it best to remove them and dispose or just pile on clients property?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Client wants to pile on his property, but I am not sure which way to go. 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