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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mr. Safren:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you for your updates. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Question: Are non-WSBA members still allowed to join the RPPT and participate in the listserv?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jim Dolan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>===================<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jones Butler Dolan, PS<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.jbdolan.com">www.jbdolan.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.jonesbutlerdolan.com">www.jonesbutlerdolan.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mount Vernon<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>P.O. Box 2784<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>415 Pine Street <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mount Vernon, WA 98273<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Telephone: 360-336-2939<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Facsimile: 360-336-2949<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stanwood<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>P.O. Box 458<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>10027 - 269th Place NW (SR 532)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stanwood, WA 98292<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Telephone: 360-629-3833<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Facsimile: 360-629-6253<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv; WSBA Real Property Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Update on Changes to the RPPT Listservs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you again Michael.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If I could stick my oar in on this, I personally think it is too bad that this was the ultimate outcome--but I also completely understand the decision as a difficult balance between the cost and administrative burden for the section to handle "emeritus" members, versus the core mission of serving the active members. Sometimes you have to pick a priority and let a potential benefit go.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If I get off my lazy duff and participate more at the governance level, I might at some point propose some means of allowing contributions to an "honorary emeritus member" pool, that could be used to pay the section dues for retired members who still want to participate. Lots of details to work out, which is why I'm not proposing it now...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1417 31st Ave South<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Seattle WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>phone 206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>fax 206-625-9040<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Safren<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:02 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv; WSBA Real Property Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Update on Changes to the RPPT Listservs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Listservers:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I received an inquiry about the decision to move the Listservs to a members only model with respect to certain emeritus members such as retired attorneys, law professors, and others.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The Executive Committee had a lengthy debate about creating some sort of emeritus member status for the Listserves and ultimately decided not to proceed in that direction. There were a multitude of reasons for this decision. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>First, the administration of such a process would be impractical. Creating an emeritus status for just the Listservs would require a host of technical changes to the login credentials to create a "Listserv only" login. Further it would require a manual process of checking whether those requesting emeritus status were members were in fact former members of the bar as well as deciding which statuses (there is no emeritus status with WSBA) would qualify for emeritus status. This process would grow exponentially as the year go by and more and more practitioners continue to retire. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The Executive Committee was also concerned that granting emeritus status to certain non-members could bring up questions of fairness over participation. While a number of section members expressed their support for the emeritus status, a number of members all expressed disapproval that non-members were able to gain member benefits. Moreover, there is no ready criteria for determining which Listserv participants qualified as emeritus and which did not. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Lastly, the Executive Committee reasoned that emeritus members could still participate in the Listserv simply by paying the $25 section membership dues. Emeritus members would not need to pay full bar dues, only the RPPT section member dues to be considered section members. While emeritus members participation in the Listserv could help section members who use the Listserv, the Executive Committee believes that the benefit of participating in the Listserv also runs to the emeritus member, connecting them to the world of active practitioners, and helping emeritus members stay engaged with the practice of law.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I hope this helps to explain and clarify the Executive Committee's decision on this point.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Michael Safren<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Web Editor, RPPT section <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:27 AM Paul Neumiller <<a href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com">pneumiller@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Michael, thank you for the information. How did the section leadership decide how to handle the membership requirement for those individuals who would be beneficial to the listservs, such as retired attorneys, senior title officers, and law professors? Considering the many list-serv members who chimed in that they wanted the listserv to retain such valuable listserv members who are not members of the section, surely the section leadership addressed the issue. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_-7715330218457850753_Paul_A__Neumiller"><img border=0 width=250 height=150 id="gmail-m_-7715330218457850753_x005f_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D4DE47.5104F270" alt="cid:image002.jpg@01D4DE3D.CDA43890"></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Safren<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 18, 2019 10:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>; WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Update on Changes to the RPPT Listservs<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello Fellow Listservs:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I wanted to provide you all with an update on recent changes to the RPPT Listservs (both the Probate and Trust and the Real Property Listservs). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The RPPT Executive Committee voted to move the Listservs from an open subscriber model, where anyone could subscribe and participate in the Listserv to a members only model, where only RPPT section members could participate in the Listserv. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This transition will be accomplished via a two fold change. First, the online resources to access the subscription email addresses, archives, and Listserv guidelines, rules, and etiquette have all been moved behind the member login page on the <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwsbarppt.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C11d0c8e40ee148e1d4e308d6ac2e2778%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636885711561184044&sdata=l1jhOgmQ9eJgcHS10t%2FkXkcgc86otozy8QYJixpb4d0%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">wsbarppt.com</a> website. This Listserv resources page can be found by clicking on the For Members tab and require your RPPT login credentials. This will prevent non-members from accessing the Listserv.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The second change will be to ask subscribers to re-validate their subscription by going back to the Listserv page to re-subscribe, which will require login credentials that only section members possess. Many of you may have already received notices asking you to re-subscribe or to re-validate your subscriptions. If you have not yet re-validated your subscription, please keep an eye out for an upcoming message inviting you to re-validate your subscription. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We hope that these changes will improve the Listerv experience for users and that Listserv members will experience only minor disruption as we implement these changes. If you experience any problems with the Listserv, please let me know and I'll do my best to resolve any Listserv issues.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Michael Safren<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Web Editor, RPPT section<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and others.***<br>_______________________________________________<br>WSBAPT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
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