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<p>You can avoid probate with community property, at least as to the
personal residence. Not sure about other community real property
such as investment property.<br>
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<p>I've had several transactions over the years where a spouse died
and the residence was later sold without a probate proceeding. As
I mentioned in the direct email, one even occurred where the
husband unexpectedly died on the day an offer came in. There was
no delay in closing.</p>
<p>And again, before going the JTWRS route I'd make sure that would
still give you the step up in basis on the death of a spouse. I
think it would because technically the property would still be
community property, but I'd ask a tax attorney because that could
be a huge problem if it didn't get the step up in basis.<br>
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<p>Also, someone else mentioned that there would not be a
presumption of community property in a deed made out to a husband
and wife. Has Creasman been overruled? Even a deed to a single
spouse is presumed to be community property under Creasman.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks John. The purpose is to avoid probate. My
understanding is that to do that it has to be explicitly
deeded as joint tenants with right of survivorship. And
husband and wife as community property is not enough to avoid
probate. So I didn’t really ask my question is clearly as I
should have. Any further advice would be appreciated. Thank
you</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:04 PM John McCrady
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">One
caveat: RCW 64.28.020 does create a presumption
that property acquired by the spouses is community
property. So the conveyance must be clear enough to
overcome the presumption if they do not want the
title to be community property. We usually
recommend adding “…and not as tenants in common and
not as community property.”</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 17, 2018 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Deed to husband and
wife- JTWROS?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Correct,
to create JTWROS with husband and wife you must have
deed to them "as joint tenants with right of
survivorship." Merely designating them as "husband
and wife" does not create a right of survivorship.
In fact, in most instances it doesn't even create a
presumption that the property is community property
of the spouses--it could still be the separate
property of one of them.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Eric</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Eric
C. Nelsen</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">SAYRE
LAW OFFICES, PLLC</span></p>
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31st Ave South</span></p>
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WA 98144-3909</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">phone
206-625-0092</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> <a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anessa Novasio<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 17, 2018 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Deed to husband and wife-
JTWROS?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Greetings,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> My understanding is that a deed
with the grantees as husband and wife does not
automatically create a joint tenancy with right of
survivorship. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So in order to have a JTWROS one
would need a quit claim deed specifying to X and Y
as husband and wife as joint tenants with right if
survivorship per RCW 64.28.010. Is that correct,
or is it enough to say to X and Y as husband and
wife??</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance!</p>
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