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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you all for the thoughtful responses and confirming what I believed was that the Buyer was on very shaky footing on having a cause of action. The SOL was noteworthy, because if Buyer wanted to get a second opinion, I wanted to leave that open and let them know to get it sooner than later. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Licensed in Washington & Florida<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>ATTENTION - This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. 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Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#009900'>P</span></b><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;color:#009900'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#009900'>Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.</span></b><span style='font-family:"Century Schoolbook",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carmen Rowe<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 23, 2018 9:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Follow up to Form 17-SOL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>I agree with Eric on the below answer to the question on SOL & Form 17.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>I also agree with him that I think your buyer is out of luck ... to the point I'd be very concerned in a suit about risk of attorney's fees costs per the usual prevailing party provisions. </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>If there is waiver, and no affirmative representations there is no claim. I believe there is even a case or so on point on buyer later realizing there are issues in neighborhood. With that against you you're potentially even bumping up against frivolous.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><br><br><span style='background:white'>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:43:08 +0000</span><br><span style='background:white'>From: Eric Nelsen <</span></span><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC;background:white'>Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:white'>></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span style='background:white'>To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <</span></span><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC;background:white'>wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:white'>></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span style='background:white'>Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Follow up to Form 17-Statute of Limitations</span><br><span style='background:white'>Message-ID:</span></span><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:white'>The Form 17 is expressly not part of the written agreement between the parties, per RCW 64.06.020(3), so it can't be under the 6-year statute for written contracts. I think it would be 3 years, as a negligent or intentional misrepresentation.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><br><span style='background:white'>Sincerely,</span><br><br><span style='background:white'>Eric</span><br><br><span style='background:white'>Eric C. Nelsen</span><br><span style='background:white'>SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC</span><br><span style='background:white'>1417 31st Ave South</span><br><span style='background:white'>Seattle WA 98144-3909</span><br><span style='background:white'>phone 206-625-0092</span><br><span style='background:white'>fax 206-625-9040</span></span><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>Carmen Rowe, Attorney/Owner</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'><img border=0 width=200 height=74 style='width:2.0833in;height:.7708in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B-SsegebS6iBQmkwSkhNWFdCaWM&revid=0B-SsegebS6iBSWFDWVhkc3B3MURTV3h6QUR4OXJQUnhrRVp3PQ"></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#660000;background:white'>Phone: (360) 669-3576 (direct cell)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#660000'>Email: <a href="mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com">Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com</a><br><br><b><span style='background:white'>Mailing address: </span></b><span style='background:white'>1673 S. Market Blvd. #202, Chehalis, WA 98532<br><b>Olympia/Lacey office: </b>1415 College Street SE, Lacey, WA 98503</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#660000;background:white'>Seattle office: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#660000;background:white'>1001 4th Avenue, Suite 3200, Seattle, WA 98154</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#660000;background:white'><br>We also offer virtual meeting options, and are often available to meet with you in an alternate location convenient to you.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Privileged and confidential: </span></b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#444444'>This message is confidential. 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As it turns out developer was aware of 4 story mixed use building next to the home he was building. Client of course finds out months after the purchase. Needless to say client is upset. First, anyone have a theory we can go after developer and second, what would be measure of damages and how do we quantify it?<br><br>This is a very tall order.<br><br>Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law<br>Admitted to practice law in Washington & Florida<br>Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary<br>Puget Property Legal Services, PC<br>11900 NE First Street Suite 300<br>Bellevue, WA 98005<br>Tel. (425) 961-0519<br>Fax. (888) 522-3601<br><br>ATTENTION - This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at the phone numbers provided herein and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender.<br><br>P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.<br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/dec742fc/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/dec742fc/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:46:43 -0700<br>From: Michael Safren <<a href="mailto:msafren@gmail.com">msafren@gmail.com</a>><br>To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>, "WSBA<br> Probate & Trust Listserv" <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>Subject: [WSBARP] Upcoming CLEs<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:CACXQqye_12pjG1KcOHcqmk%2BuMuJx-XPYs5P1pKbZqSwGvjALmQ@mail.gmail.com">CACXQqye_12pjG1KcOHcqmk+uMuJx-XPYs5P1pKbZqSwGvjALmQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hello Everyone:<br><br>I wanted to let everyone know that the RPPT section is offering educational<br>opportunities including a CLE on August 1st and Webinar on August 27th.<br><br> I've included the information about the upcoming CLEs below:<br><br>*New Developments in Real Property CLE *<br>*on August 1st, 2018. *<br><br>In Person location: Washington State Bar Association, 1325 4th Ave Ste 600<br>Seattle, WA 98101<br>Webinar option available.<br>CLE credits: 5 law and legal procedure + 1 ethics<br>Summary: From the continuing boom of the Washington and Puget Sound area<br>real estate markets to the broad ranging overhaul of the federal tax<br>regime, there is no shortage of new developments for the real estate<br>practitioner to stay on top of. Join us for a seminar that will explore the<br>impacts of the changes in the tax code on real estate owners and developers<br>(and practitioners), recent developments in real property case law and<br>fundamental skill development, among other topics.<br><br>Lunch is included in your tuition courtesy of the RPPT Section<br><br><br>*Free Webinar: Hot Topics in Residential Landlord-Tenant Law on August<br>27th, 2018 at 2:00 pm PST. *<br><br>Details and link to participate will be posted on the RPPT website soon!<br><br><br>You can click on this link to register for the CLE through the<br><a href="http://www.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">www.wsbarppt.com</a> website: <a href="http://wsbarppt.com/cles/" target="_blank">http://wsbarppt.com/cles/</a><br><br><br>Kind regards,<br>Michael Safren<br>Web Editor, RPPT section<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/922fe560/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/922fe560/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:09:55 +0000<br>From: Ralph Maimon <<a href="mailto:rmaimon@maimonlaw.com">rmaimon@maimonlaw.com</a>><br>To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>Subject: [WSBARP] simple question re EIN need<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:MWHPR01MB2735DC922A99954AE5EB9014BD510@MWHPR01MB2735.prod.exchangelabs.com">MWHPR01MB2735DC922A99954AE5EB9014BD510@MWHPR01MB2735.prod.exchangelabs.com</a>><br><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br><br>List servers<br><br>I am telling my client who is transferring her estate into a revocable living trust that she needs an EIN. She says her two sisters, who are also doing the same, are just using their SSNs and not getting EINs.<br><br>Thoughts on this? I am glad to be wrong.<br><br>Ralph Maimon<br><br>Law Office of Ralph Maimon, P.S.<br>2811 E. Madison Street, Suite 202<br>Seattle, WA 98112<br>(206) 323-0911<br>Fax: (206)462-1505<br><a href="http://www.maimonlaw.com" target="_blank">www.maimonlaw.com</a><<a href="http://www.maimonlaw.com/" target="_blank">http://www.maimonlaw.com/</a>><br><br><br>This email is confidential. If you have received it in error,<br>please notify me and delete it from your device<br>without reading. Thank you.<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/afa22af7/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/afa22af7/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: image001.gif<br>Type: image/gif<br>Size: 2310 bytes<br>Desc: image001.gif<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/afa22af7/image001-0001.gif" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/afa22af7/image001-0001.gif</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 15:40:24 -0700<br>From: Marvin Benson <<a href="mailto:marvinbensonlaw@gmail.com">marvinbensonlaw@gmail.com</a>><br>To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [WSBARP] simple question re EIN need<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:CACodssot2BnW6xNfw6Cp7VY_%2BJ6GgaUsaTSF8oj10YPuNjoGuQ@mail.gmail.com">CACodssot2BnW6xNfw6Cp7VY_+J6GgaUsaTSF8oj10YPuNjoGuQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>When the trustor is trustee, she can continue using her social security<br>number.<br><br>Marvin Benson<br><br>On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Ralph Maimon <<a href="mailto:rmaimon@maimonlaw.com">rmaimon@maimonlaw.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> List servers<br>><br>><br>><br>> I am telling my client who is transferring her estate into a revocable<br>> living trust that she needs an EIN. She says her two sisters, who are also<br>> doing the same, are just using their SSNs and not getting EINs.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Thoughts on this? I am glad to be wrong.<br>><br>><br>><br>> *Ralph Maimon*<br>><br>><br>><br>> Law Office of Ralph Maimon, P.S.<br>><br>> 2811 E. Madison Street, Suite 202<br>><br>> Seattle, WA 98112<br>><br>> (206) 323-0911<br>><br>> Fax: (206)462-1505<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.maimonlaw.com" target="_blank">www.maimonlaw.com</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> This email is confidential. If you have received it in error,<br>><br>> please notify me and delete it from your device<br>><br>> without reading. Thank you.<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> WSBARP mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:WSBARP@lists.wsbarppt.com">WSBARP@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp</a><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/b8211e82/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/b8211e82/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: image001.gif<br>Type: image/gif<br>Size: 2310 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/b8211e82/image001-0001.gif" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20180720/b8211e82/image001-0001.gif</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:49:59 +0000<br>From: Marcus Fry <<a href="mailto:mfry@lyon-law.com">mfry@lyon-law.com</a>><br>To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [WSBARP] simple question re EIN need<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:MWHPR14MB16933CFDFF0CC683650B62ADF6510@MWHPR14MB1693.namprd14.prod.outlook.com">MWHPR14MB16933CFDFF0CC683650B62ADF6510@MWHPR14MB1693.namprd14.prod.outlook.com</a>><br><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br><br>If it is a truly a revocable trust then it is a grantor trust and you do not need to get an EIN.<br><br>Marcus J. Fry<br>Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.<br>P.O. Box 1689<br>Yakima, Washington 98907<br>Telephone: (509) 248-7220<br>Facsimile: (509) 575-1883<br><br>NOTICES:<br>Confidentiality: This e-mail transmission may contain information which is protected by attorney-client, work product and/or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, or taking of any action in reliance on the contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us immediately and return the e-mail to us by choosing Reply (or the corresponding function on your e-mail system) and then deleting the e-mail.<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] On Behalf Of Ralph Maimon<br>Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 3:10 PM<br>To: WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>Subject: [WSBARP] simple question re EIN need<br><br>List servers<br><br>I am telling my client who is transferring her estate into a revocable living trust that she needs an EIN. She says her two sisters, who are also doing the same, are just using their SSNs and not getting EINs.<br><br>Thoughts on this? I am glad to be wrong.<br><br>Ralph Maimon<br><br>Law Office of Ralph Maimon, P.S.<br>2811 E. 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