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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Nearly all residential structures, during their lifetimes, will have unpermitted work. Replacing a roof, adding a deck that extends a few feet above grade at one end, installing a fireplace insert, replacing inefficient glazing, replacing a side sewer, or replacing a water heater or furnace are all examples of work that is done on many homes, and which requires a permit. And homeowners (and some contractors) don’t always get a permit for that work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Moreover, it is not terribly uncommon to have a SFR property owner take out a permit and never get around to having a final inspection performed. Some building departments send out a letter terminating the permit, and others let the permits die a natural death by old age.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Finally, it might be a small stretch to conclude that work was unpermitted simply because city records show something different than the tax assessor’s records. As I understand it, the assessor takes information submitted on permit forms at the time of permit submittal. But things get changed during construction and approved in the field, and those changes are not always clearly reflected throughout the forms on file in the permit department. At least that’s the way it was when I was managing a building department, and I doubt it has changed a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Perpetua",serif;color:windowtext'>Scott G. Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Perpetua",serif;color:windowtext'>Thomas Law Group, P.S.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>1204 Cleveland Ave.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Mount Vernon, WA 98273<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><a href="mailto:Scott@ScottGThomasLaw.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Scott@ScottGThomasLaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>nestor@pplsweb.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] discrepancy between Property Appraiser and Property<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>It is “Schrodinger's cat” applied to real estate. Rhetorically speaking, does he or does he not go to the city? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Licensed in Washington & Florida<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ATTENTION - This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at the phone numbers provided herein and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#009900'>P</span></b><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;color:#009900'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#009900'>Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.</span></b><span style='font-family:"Century Schoolbook",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 2, 2018 9:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] discrepancy between Property Appraiser and Property<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p> One disadvantage to that is they would then know it was unpermitted, and then have to disclose that as a fact rather than "don't know" on Form 17.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I had an interesting experience with unpermitted work last year. Despite applying for permits, the prior owner apparently never had them finalized. That was over 20 years ago, and the county showed no interest in going out an inspecting the property, in part because they wouldn't know what code provisions to apply!<o:p></o:p></p><p>In another case, an eastside city did come out an permit after the fact some then current owner remodel work, and while some obvious plumbing venting issues did require being addressed, they let slide some electrical issues, such as number of outlets on a wall.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Getting back to the OP's question, those sorts of issues are more likely to be issues for a seller in a more normal market. For that second situation I was critical of the appraiser using two short sales as comps when the sale itself was not a short sale and that area had very few short sales--so obviously a different market time.<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>John L. Scott/KMS Renton <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 6/1/2018 2:46 PM, <a href="mailto:scott@scottgthomaslaw.com">scott@scottgthomaslaw.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Why not walk over to the county or city permit counter, and ask to look at the file they maintain on the parcel to see if it was permitted?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:nestor@pplsweb.com">nestor@pplsweb.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 1, 2018 2:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] discrepancy between Property Appraiser and Property<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Happy Friday List Mates.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have a client purchasing a property where the county websites states it’s 2.5 baths and the home has 3 baths. If it was done without permits I am aware that many municipalities would make the new owner pull permits, submit plans, inspect and then force them to correct any deficiencies. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is there any other downside to the Buyer to be aware of? Is Buyer obligated to notify the property appraiser of the discrepancy?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Licensed in Washington & Florida<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ATTENTION - This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. 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