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<p>I agree it's not entirely clear, but I would side with the
position that if you're given a period of time to do something and
you don't do it in that period, that you're out of luck. Somewhat
similar to what happens with inspections. It would be interesting
to re-read those inspection cases to see if the same doctrine
could be applied. Are you allocating the risk contractually?<br>
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<p>FWIW, I don't agree with your interpretation of the effect of
striking the language and it indicating due diligence has already
been completed. I think it just leaves the parties where ever
they would have been if that language had been entirely omitted
from the form. Or alternatively a knowing waiver of that
contractual right.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Kary L. Krismer
John L. Scott/KMS Renton
206 723-2148</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/3/2018 1:51 PM, marc
holmeslawgroup.com wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:windowtext">I do not agree with her
take on the meaning of striking out the “Info Verification
Period” caluse. Her premise is that the 10 day info
verification contingency period insulates the seller from
buyer misrepresentation claims based on a material
inaccuracy. Sure, it might give the seller a basis to
assert a defense that the buyer waived any such
misrepresentation claim but this clause does not contain any
waiver language whatsoever and doesn’t even mention the word
misrepresentation. That does not seem like enough to
constitute a voluntary waiver of a known right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:windowtext">Moreover, what’s so
magical about 10 days? If a buyer has the Info Verification
clause in place but does not discover a material inaccuracy
until after the 10 day period has run are they just
screwed? They don’t have a contractual right to terminate
and per Annie’s analysis, they have given up their right to
later bring a seller misrepresentation claim? Does that
seem right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:windowtext">If a buyer strikes out
the clause in its entirety, isn’t that effectively the buyer
saying I understand I could have had an extra 10 days for
due diligence but I have done enough for my own satisfaction
so I hereby reduce this time period to zero days. Why
shouldn’t buyers be allowed to make that decision?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Roman",serif;color:windowtext">Marc Holmes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:windowtext">Holmes Law Group PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:windowtext">2303 W. Commodore Way,
# 306<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://holmeslawgroup.com/"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 3, 2018 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Form 17 residential<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Marc raises a great point about agents striking the paragraph
W information verification period language, erroneously
thinking that it helps the seller. I recently had a multiple
offer situation where 40% of the offers struck that language.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Here's a slightly stressed out/annoyed Annie bothered by the
fact that agents don't seem to be listening to her! Paragraph
w is covered at about the 2:25 mark--and stay for the surprise
at the very end!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esd0eLwkBRo"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esd0eLwkBRo</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>John L. Scott/KMS Renton <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/3/2018 12:57 PM, marc
holmeslawgroup.com wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">If they
used an MLS form purchase and sale agreement, look for the
Information Verification clause on the last page of that
form. It creates a 10 day contingency period “to verify
all information provided by the Seller or Listing Firm
related to the Property.” More and more buyers are
voluntarily striking this clause but if your client did
not and you’re still within that time period, then that
would seem like a good basis to terminate.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It’s not
clear who discovered the septic bedroom issue but if it
was your client rather than the seller, then you may be
out of luck if the Form 17 rescission window has run out
and your client either affirmatively waived the info
verification contingency or let it lapse </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Per RCW
64.06.0<u>40</u>(1), a seller has a duty to amend their
Form 17 when they learn of a material inaccuracy in the
form except when it was brought to their attention by the
buyer or someone acting on the buyer’s behalf. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0in"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:""",serif">RCW
64.06.040</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:3.75pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0in"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:""",serif">After
delivery of disclosure statement—Additional
information—Seller's duty—Buyer's options—Closing the
transaction.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.25in"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:""",serif">(1)
If, after the date that a seller of real property
completes a real property transfer disclosure statement,
the seller learns from a source other than the buyer or
others acting on the buyer's behalf such as an inspector
of additional information or an adverse change which
makes any of the disclosures made inaccurate, the seller
shall amend the real property transfer disclosure
statement, and deliver the amendment to the buyer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Marc
Holmes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Holmes
Law Group PLLC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2303 W.
Commodore Way, # 306</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Seattle
WA 98199</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://holmeslawgroup.com/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">HolmesLawGroup.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="mailto:marc@holmeslawgroup.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">marc@holmeslawgroup.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ofc:
206-357-4224</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Cell:
206-849-0853</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><a
href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 3, 2018 11:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><span
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</span><a href="mailto:nestor@pplsweb.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">nestor@pplsweb.com</a><span
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Form 17 residential</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Did they just waive the Form 35 inspection rights or also
the Form 17 (the second place for the buyer to sign on Form
17)?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If just the former I'm not sure a buyer can still back out
where the answer is wrong. I'd love to hear the answer of
others. But chances are there's at least one answer on the
Form 17, the answer to which is not N/A, which the seller
failed to answer. My question would be whether you could
ask for the answer to that question at this point and then
back out based on the new Form 17 coming in?<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>John L. Scott/KMS Renton <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Client comes in and waived inspection
under Form 35. Seller provided a Form 17 that mispresented
the capacity of the septic system. The way I see, Buyer
can back out due to the mis presentation in spite of the
waiver. Any other recourse?<o:p></o:p></p>
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