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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Agreed. How can you evaluate duress or mental capacity. This can be a real pandoras box. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Licensed in Washington & Florida<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ATTENTION - This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. 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Ursich<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Notary rulemaking update<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Electronic notarization for conveyance deeds is just an invitation for forgeries and fraud. The whole purpose of the notarization process is to evaluate identity and capacity to sign a document. The Electronic method takes all of that away. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:53.5pt'><td width=115 valign=top style='width:86.0pt;padding:0in 5.75pt 0in 0in;height:53.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=105 height=54 style='width:1.0937in;height:.5625in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3A4E8.2C8FDCF0" alt=ibdr2><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=450 valign=top style='width:337.75pt;padding:0in 5.75pt 0in 0in;height:53.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Gregory L. Ursich </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>| Shareholder<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Skyline Tower, Suite 1500 | 10900 NE 4<sup>th</sup> Street | Bellevue, WA 98004<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:-4.15pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>P: 425.450.4258 | F: 425.635.7720<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.insleebest.com/uploads/vcards/gursich.vcf"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'>vCard</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt'> | </span><a href="http://www.insleebest.com/"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'>website</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt'> | </span><u><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'><a href="mailto:gursich@insleebest.com"><span style='color:blue'>gursich@insleebest.com</span></a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>This electronic mail transmission is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the review of the party to whom it is addressed. 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Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kary Krismer<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] Notary rulemaking update<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>I started a bit of discussion in a different group about remote notaries. Stewart is reportedly not even waiting for the new laws to kick into effect.<span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p>Personally I don't care if banks want to accept that--it would make the process easier and if it didn't work they should seemingly be able to rely on their title insurer (e.g. Stewart) to pay off the amount of the loan. Outside of bankruptcy I'm not seeing how that would impact the debtor, and there the impact might be positive if it allowed funds to go to a non-dischargeable debt. The downside might be a trustee selling a property when they wouldn't otherwise be able to do so. But at least on the buyer's side the buyer should be able to control things.<o:p></o:p></p><p>My concern is more about the conveyance deed. Title insurance might not be able to fully compensate the buyer, and the choice to use a remote notary would be entirely the seller's! I'm toying with the idea of adding a clause on my buyer contracts prohibiting the practice, but in this market even something like that could lead to another buyer winning out. My best hope is that the statewide forms drafters will react.<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Kary L. Krismer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>John L. Scott/KMS Renton <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>206 723-2148<o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2/13/2018 1:55 PM, Nicholas Pleasants wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Real Property Listserv,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>As I am sure most of you are aware, the new rules for notaries are going into effect on July 1, 2018. There was a helpful summary of the main changes in our section’s newsletter, Summer 2017 edition, page 19.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am planning to attend the rulemaking meeting this Thursday to get more clarity about the electronic notary process (e.g. I have clients overseas that would love to do an electronic notary, but this seems to conflict with the restriction that my notary license only works inside Washington state). If anyone has specific questions about the implementation of new RCW 42.45 and WAC 308-30, I would be happy to take those to the DOL and report back. I’ve attached the agenda for reference. And if some of you will also be attending, I will look forward to seeing you there.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nick Pleasants<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#4472C4'>Nicholas Pleasants</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>James Pleasants, P.C.<br>2300 130th Ave NE, Suite A-101<br>Bellevue, WA 98005-1755<br>(425) 615-7070 tel.<br>(425) 497-0799 fax<br><a href="mailto:nick@pleasantslaw.com"><span style='color:blue'>nick@pleasantslaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. 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