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<DIV><FONT size=4>Rob</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I have always thought that the HOA could not lien up real
property for “fines” when the CC&R’s don’t say they can. When they say
lien is for assessments and say nothing about fines...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Josh</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">Joshua F.
Grant, PS<BR>Attorney at Law<BR>P. O. Box 619<BR>Wilbur, WA 99185<BR>tel 509 647
5578<BR>fax 509 647 2734<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rob@hctc.com
href="mailto:rob@hctc.com">Rob Wilson-Hoss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 13, 2017 9:00 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">'WSBA Real Property Listserv'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WSBARP] (no subject)</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>Bryce, good
question. That statute says, "</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; COLOR: #212121'>an
opportunity to be heard by the board of directors or by the representative
designated by the board of directors and in accordance with <B>the procedures as
provided in the bylaws or rules and regulations adopted by the board</B> of
directors, ..."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; COLOR: #212121'>My
rule includes the following procedures, which I think are enough, with the
addition of Board decisions at the time of the hearing about the niceties,
discussed below. My rule is frankly an attempt to pull back from more
formalistic rules that I have tried in the past and just plain don't fit most
HOA cultures that I represent. Anyway, this is what they say
now:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=Style14 style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><I><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>If the Board
decides to take further action, the Member will be sent a letter explaining the
circumstances, and inviting </SPAN></I><I><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>the Member to a
Board of Directors meeting to be heard in response.
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style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></I> </P>
<P class=Style14 style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><I><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>The Member must
let the Board know at least seven days before the meeting that he or she plans
to attend, or needs a continuance. The Board shall give the Member a reasonable
and fair opportunity to attend a meeting, but if the Member does not make
reasonable efforts to do so, in the judgment of the Board, then the advantages
of the meeting will not be available to the Member. No more than one
continuance will be offered, except for legitimate unavoidable
circumstances. The Member may appear through any electronic medium if the
Member is able to make all arrangements, or by telephone if all Board members
can hear and participate in the call.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
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<P class=Style14 style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><I><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>At this Board
meeting, the Member will have an opportunity to be heard on the matter; present
testimony; give the Board documents, pictures, and other evidence; and explain
the circumstances; <B>all according to reasonable and fair procedures as
determined by the Board</B>. If the Board determines that the discussion should
be continued to a later Board meeting to give everyone involved a fair chance to
be heard and present evidence, and/or consider evidence that has been brought to
its attention, it may do so. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
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<P class=Style14 style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><I><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>This meeting
will be, first, an attempt to reach an Agreement, as specified generally
above. If no Agreement is possible, then the Board will discuss the matter
and reach a decision. The Board will decide if one or more violations has
occurred, and the consequences, as set out below. The Board cannot vary from
Fabulous Acres Rules, including especially Covenants, to favor one Member when
the same Rules apply to all other Members. However, the extent of the violation,
and time frame for corrections, and other related matters, are subject to
agreement.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
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<P class=Style14 style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><I><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>If the Board
finds that a violation has occurred, it shall take appropriate action, including
imposition of a fine, remediation and/or correction requirements, and/or
otherwise as set forth below. The Board shall provide for a clear conclusion,
specifying the Rules violated and the fines and/or requirements imposed.
It may also include reasons for its decisions. The Board shall follow up
its decision with a writing to the Member explaining the result, within a
reasonable time. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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The reasonable and fair procedures as determined by the Board include such
things as how long a person can go on, how many redundant witnesses are allowed,
how nasty the remarks can be, and so on; and the Board is supposed to take care
of all of those matters (as determined by the Board) when they come up and
case-by-case. The general procedures are already in the rule. I don't want
a rule that tries to address every possible thing that may come up. I don't have
enough paper in the office for that. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>By the way, my
Bylaws always say, instead of invoking Robert's Rules of Order, that<B> the</B>
<B>Board shall adopt procedures for membership and Board meetings that are
reasonable and fair</B>. And that's it. I have never actually heard of any
dispute about what reasonable and fair means.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-AUTOSPACE: "><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>Robert D.
Wilson-Hoss <BR>Hoss & Wilson-Hoss, LLP <BR>236 West Birch Street
<BR>Shelton, WA 98584 <BR>360 426-2999<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bryce Dille<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 12, 2017 1:57
PM<BR><B>To:</B> WSBA Real Property Listserv<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WSBARP] (no
subject)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">I’d like to see your
administrative rules concerning the hearing before the board pursuant to
RCW64.38.020(11)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Rob Wilson-Hoss<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 12, 2017
1:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [WSBARP]
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with HOA property condition and behavior systems and fines. I have changed my
system many times and this is where I am now. Thought it might help others to
see what someone else is doing. I have tried to make this simpler; it relies on
one person, either a board member or another volunteer, who can be nice when
talking to members, but also has a backbone. And it avoids the pages and pages
of listed violations and fines that I have seen in some places.
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style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>Robert D.
Wilson-Hoss <BR>Hoss & Wilson-Hoss, LLP <BR>236 West Birch Street
<BR>Shelton, WA 98584 <BR>360 426-2999<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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