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<DIV><FONT size=4>What kind of due diligence is required?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>I have a case where the taxpayer had died prior to the notice
going out and the notice was probably sent to the decedent but who knows.
It was then later physically posted, but by then the family was too distracted
to react until just before the tax sale.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">Joshua F.
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=swhite8893@aol.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:15 PM</DIV>
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<DIV> Two issues can come up on a tax sale.
A party with an interest in the action may not have been properly served. While
there is publication, the diligence exercised by most counties falls far below
the case law standard. In addition, a party with an interest in the property
could be incompetent. That is why you need a quiet title action, to essentially
do the diligence the county did not.</DIV>
<DIV> In limited circumstances, I have been
able to accomplish sales of such properties on contract with payments being held
by the title company, and with the buyer being advised not to commit to any
improvements for three years.</DIV>
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<DIV>Steve<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Stephen Whitehouse</EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Whitehouse & Nichols, LLP</EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>P.O. Box 1273</EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>601 W. Railroad Ave.</EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Shelton, Wa. 98584</EM></STRONG></DIV>
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1<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:05:46 +0000<BR>From: Richard Holland <<A
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[WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Ok, I use to know this but those brain
cells have apparently left the building.<BR><BR>What is the additional step
beyond recording that needs to be done to get something 'registered'? For
example, I have a title where it says an Assignment of the Deed of Trust was
"recorded but not registered".<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Richard L.
Holland<BR><BR>[logo-for-print.jpg]<BR><BR>603 4th Avenue, Suite 100 PLEASE NOTE
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2<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:34:07 -0700<BR>From: Carmen Rowe <<A
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HOA<BR>Message-ID:<BR><CAMTVkhA6vfpwUNRmbkwYi9=Z+z=<A
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Richard -<BR><BR>I am curious why an HOA/COA,
absent mirroring a statutory requirement,<BR>would have this in their
CCRs/declaration? You've seen this before absent<BR>such a statute?<BR><BR>Seems
a resource that the association is giving up for nothing. In<BR>practice, at
least in my experience, while the obligation to do so can be<BR>murky banks will
often square the past dues upon the eventual sale to<BR>ensure title/avoid the
hassle. (Getting them to pay along the way is a<BR>whole other story; but at
least there is often eventual payment)<BR><BR>Just curious what's out
there.<BR><BR>Your advice for when an advisor is involved in drafting such
language is<BR>very helpful.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Carmen Rowe,
Attorney<BR><BR><BR>Phone: (360) 669-3576 (direct cell)<BR>Email: <A
href="mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com">Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com</A><BR><BR>*Mailing
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5<BR>> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:02:08 +0000<BR>> From: Richard Holland
<<A href="mailto:rich@pnwle.com">rich@pnwle.com</A>><BR>> To: WSBA Real
Property Listserv <<A
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Subject: [WSBARP] Judicial Foreclosures & HOAs<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>>
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charset="us-ascii"<BR>><BR>> While admittedly I have personally seen this
come up more in Oregon<BR>> (because of how the statute is worded), I have
had it come up in Washington<BR>> and am just passing this along for those
HOA advisors. For sake of<BR>> brevity, here is the Oregon Statue that, in
various forms of language,<BR>> appears in many CC&Rs:<BR>><BR>>
Oregon Statute 94.723 Common expenses; liability of first mortgagee,
once<BR>> a lot in a planned community is foreclosed upon the mortgagee
and<BR>> subsequent purchaser shall not be liable for any of the common
expenses<BR>> chargeable to the lot which became due before the mortgagee or
purchaser<BR>> acquired title to the lot. The unpaid expenses shall become a
common<BR>> expense of all lot owners including the mortgagee or
purchaser.<BR>><BR>> The problem is when is "Title" acquired after a
judicial foreclosure? One<BR>> argument is that it is the date of sale but
that isn't accurate because you<BR>> do not get a Deed (which is the
instrument that conveys TITLE) until after<BR>> the redemption period. The
other obvious one is that it is the date of the<BR>> deed - though I have
also heard the date of recording of the deed argued.<BR>> If you represent
the lender, you want it to be the date the lender actually<BR>> got title. If
you represent the HOA, the obvious issue is that the debtor<BR>> is no longer
responsible for payment after the date of sale - they have<BR>> been
foreclosed out - so who is responsible for paying the dues during the<BR>>
redemption period? (And remember, if the US Gov't is on the title that
can<BR>> be 18 months in some situations).<BR>><BR>> When I have had
the opportunity to advise HOAs, I suggest that they either<BR>> specify this
as "the date of sale" or as "the date the mortgagee obtained<BR>> the right
of possession" or I suppose you could say "the date the purchaser<BR>>
acquired title or the right to possession, whichever is earlier" but
being<BR>> a verbose sort why not go all out and say "The purchaser shall not
be<BR>> liable for any of the common expenses chargeable to the lot which
became<BR>> due before the earlier of: 1) The date of sale; 2) the date the
purchaser<BR>> acquired title; or 3) the date the purchaser obtained the
right to<BR>> possession". And yes, a right of possession in the general
sense could<BR>> be in a rental agreement but not in the context of where the
provision is<BR>> in the CC&Rs. Anyway, it's a random thing to post but
it came up for me<BR>> again today so it was fresh on my mind and I thought I
would pass it along.<BR>><BR>> Sincerely,<BR>><BR>> Richard L.
Holland<BR>><BR>> [logo-for-print.jpg]<BR>><BR>> 603 4th Avenue,
Suite 100 PLEASE NOTE OUR<BR>> NEW ADDRESS!<BR>> Kirkland, WA
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3<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:49:06 +0000<BR>From: Robert S Schuck <<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Perhaps this is a reference to Torrens
system RCW 65.12-I have only seen one case in years of practice. You would
register the deed of trust rather than recording it. The land would have to be
registered under the system for this to work.<BR><BR>Robert S.
Schuck<BR>Kennedy,Schuck & Miller, PLLC<BR>1520 140th NE, Suite
200<BR>Bellevue, WA 98005<BR>(425)451-3760 (telephone)<BR>(425)451-3878
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Thank you.<BR><BR><BR>From: wsbarp-<A
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On Behalf Of Richard Holland<BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:06 PM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</A><BR>Subject:
[WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR><BR>Ok, I use to know this but those brain
cells have apparently left the building.<BR><BR>What is the additional step
beyond recording that needs to be done to get something 'registered'? For
example, I have a title where it says an Assignment of the Deed of Trust was
"recorded but not registered".<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Richard L.
Holland<BR><BR>[logo-for-print.jpg]<BR><BR>603 4th Avenue, Suite 100 PLEASE NOTE
OUR NEW ADDRESS!<BR>Kirkland, WA 98033<BR>425-836-6240 / 425-748-3901
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4<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:02:24 +0000<BR>From: Richard Holland <<A
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Listserv <<A
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Re: [WSBARP] Judicial foreclosures and HOA<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Carmen,<BR><BR>Most lenders will not lend on
a property where the HOA could effectively wipe them out by foreclosing. So most
CC&Rs have subordination language and similarly, many have this same
language about what happens post foreclosure ? again, because lenders want it.
Not all to be sure.<BR><BR>So whereas COAs are somewhat ?tied? to what they can
claim by the Condo Act (the 6 month/3 month w- notice) bit, HOAs are not. If
they do not have this language, then the only limit of ?how far back? they can
claim is really the statute of limitations. I see those as well. The ?best? ones
(from an HOA perspective) that I have seen have the waiver language like set out
below which pleases a lender loaning on the property, but they also have this
?kicker? that says ?all of that is true IF the lender provides a copy of the DOT
to the HOA within 60 or 90 days of recording?. Of course years later the lender
who now has the loan has almost no shot of producing ?proof? that the original
DOT was provided to the HOA in accordance with the CC&Rs notice provision
unless the original lender was meticulous and that is pretty rare and if it was
a MERS Loan, forget it.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Rich Holland<BR><A
href="mailto:rich@pnwle.com">rich@pnwle.com</A><<A
href="mailto:rich@pnwle.com?">mailto:rich@pnwle.com?</A>><BR>603 4th Avenue,
Suite 100 PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW ADDRESS!<BR>Kirkland, WA 98033<BR>425-836-6240 /
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On Behalf Of Carmen Rowe<BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:34 PM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</A><BR>Subject:
[WSBARP] Judicial foreclosures and HOA<BR><BR>Richard -<BR><BR>I am curious why
an HOA/COA, absent mirroring a statutory requirement, would have this in their
CCRs/declaration? You've seen this before absent such a statute?<BR><BR>Seems a
resource that the association is giving up for nothing. In practice, at least in
my experience, while the obligation to do so can be murky banks will often
square the past dues upon the eventual sale to ensure title/avoid the hassle.
(Getting them to pay along the way is a whole other story; but at least there is
often eventual payment)<BR><BR>Just curious what's out there.<BR><BR>Your advice
for when an advisor is involved in drafting such language is very
helpful.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Carmen Rowe, Attorney<BR>[Image removed by
sender.]<BR>Phone: (360) 669-3576 (direct cell)<BR>Email: <A
href="mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com">Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com</A><BR><BR>Mailing
address: 1673 S. Market Blvd. #202, Chehalis, WA 98532<BR>Olympia/Lacey office:
1415 College Street SE, Lacey, WA 98503<BR>Seattle office: 1001 4th Avenue,
Suite 3200, Seattle, WA 98154<BR><BR>We also offer virtual meeting options, and
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purposes.<BR><BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:02:08
+0000<BR>From: Richard Holland <<A
href="mailto:rich@pnwle.com">rich@pnwle.com</A><<A
href="mailto:rich@pnwle.com?">mailto:rich@pnwle.com?</A>>><BR>To: WSBA
Real Property Listserv <<A
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[WSBARP] Judicial Foreclosures & HOAs<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>While admittedly I have personally seen
this come up more in Oregon (because of how the statute is worded), I have had
it come up in Washington and am just passing this along for those HOA advisors.
For sake of brevity, here is the Oregon Statue that, in various forms of
language, appears in many CC&Rs:<BR><BR>Oregon Statute 94.723 Common
expenses; liability of first mortgagee, once a lot in a planned community is
foreclosed upon the mortgagee and subsequent purchaser shall not be liable for
any of the common expenses chargeable to the lot which became due before the
mortgagee or purchaser acquired title to the lot. The unpaid expenses shall
become a common expense of all lot owners including the mortgagee or
purchaser.<BR><BR>The problem is when is "Title" acquired after a judicial
foreclosure? One argument is that it is the date of sale but that isn't accurate
because you do not get a Deed (which is the instrument that conveys TITLE) until
after the redemption period. The other obvious one is that it is the date of the
deed - though I have also heard the date of recording of the deed argued. If you
represent the lender, you want it to be the date the lender actually got title.
If you represent the HOA, the obvious issue is that the debtor is no longer
responsible for payment after the date of sale - they have been foreclosed out -
so who is responsible for paying the dues during the redemption period? (And
remember, if the US Gov't is on the title that can be 18 months in some
situations).<BR><BR>When I have had the opportunity to advise HOAs, I suggest
that they either specify this as "the date of sale" or as "the date the
mortgagee obtained the right of possession" or I suppose you could say "the date
the purchaser acquired title or the right to possession, whichever is earlier"
but being a verbose sort why not go all out and say "The purchaser shall not be
liable for any of the common expenses chargeable to the lot which became due
before the earlier of: 1) The date of sale; 2) the date the purchaser acquired
title; or 3) the date the purchaser obtained the right to possession". And yes,
a right of possession in the general sense could be in a rental agreement but
not in the context of where the provision is in the CC&Rs. Anyway, it's a
random thing to post but it came up for me again today so it was fresh on my
mind and I thought I would pass it along.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Richard L.
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Re: [WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>It is and I got some terrific direction on
what to do and it's not terribly difficult, but it happens so rarely. I think
I've run across about six to ten in the last twenty years so it's not usual to
be certain and I always recommend we get the property the heck out of the
Torrens ASAP. I am somewhat surprised King County doesn't require the land to be
taken out of the system on transfer just so that ultimately they'd be done with
it.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Rich Holland<BR><A
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Re: [WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR><BR>Perhaps this is a reference to
Torrens system RCW 65.12-I have only seen one case in years of practice. You
would register the deed of trust rather than recording it. The land would have
to be registered under the system for this to work.<BR><BR>Robert S.
Schuck<BR>Kennedy,Schuck & Miller, PLLC<BR>1520 140th NE, Suite
200<BR>Bellevue, WA 98005<BR>(425)451-3760 (telephone)<BR>(425)451-3878
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On Behalf Of Richard Holland<BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:06 PM<BR>To: <A
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[WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR><BR>Ok, I use to know this but those brain
cells have apparently left the building.<BR><BR>What is the additional step
beyond recording that needs to be done to get something 'registered'? For
example, I have a title where it says an Assignment of the Deed of Trust was
"recorded but not registered".<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Richard L.
Holland<BR><BR>[logo-for-print.jpg]<BR><BR>603 4th Avenue, Suite 100 PLEASE NOTE
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6<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:13:58 -0700<BR>From: "James L. Strichartz"
<jim@condo-lawyers.com><BR>To: "WSBA Real Property Listserv" <<A
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Re: [WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>An application for withdrawal of
registered land is very simple and<BR>quick to accomplish too. The application
is available at <BR><A
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target=_blank>http://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/records-licensing/recorders-office/regis</A><BR>tered-land.aspx
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Jim Strichartz<BR><BR>Attorney<BR><BR>Fellow,
College of Community Association Lawyers<BR><BR>Law Offices of James L.
Strichartz<BR><BR>201 Queen Anne Avenue North, Suite 400<BR><BR>Seattle, WA
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On Behalf Of Richard Holland<BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:06 PM<BR>To:
WSBA Real Property Listserv<BR>Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Registered Lands -
UGH<BR><BR><BR><BR>It is and I got some terrific direction on what to do and
it's not<BR>terribly difficult, but it happens so rarely. I think I've run
across<BR>about six to ten in the last twenty years so it's not usual to
be<BR>certain and I always recommend we get the property the heck out of
the<BR>Torrens ASAP. I am somewhat surprised King County doesn't require
the<BR>land to be taken out of the system on transfer just so that
ultimately<BR>they'd be done with it.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Rich
Holland<BR><BR><A href="mailto:rich@pnwle.com">rich@pnwle.com</A><BR><BR>603 4th
Avenue, Suite 100 PLEASE NOTE OUR<BR>NEW ADDRESS!<BR><BR>Kirkland, WA 98033
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On Behalf Of Robert S Schuck<BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:49 PM<BR>To:
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Re: [WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR><BR><BR><BR>Perhaps this is a reference
to Torrens system RCW 65.12-I have only seen<BR>one case in years of practice.
You would register the deed of trust<BR>rather than recording it. The land would
have to be registered under the<BR>system for this to work.
<BR><BR><BR><BR>Robert S. Schuck<BR>Kennedy,Schuck & Miller, PLLC<BR>1520
140th NE, Suite 200<BR>Bellevue, WA 98005<BR>(425)451-3760
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[WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ok, I use to know this but those
brain cells have apparently left the<BR>building.<BR><BR><BR><BR>What is the
additional step beyond recording that needs to be done to<BR>get something
'registered'? For example, I have a title where it says<BR>an Assignment of the
Deed of Trust was "recorded but not
registered".<BR><BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Richard L.
Holland<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>603 4th Avenue, Suite 100 PLEASE NOTE
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7<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:08:07 +0000<BR>From: Marcus Fry
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[WSBARP] Referrals for legal counsel in Portland to set up
S<BR>Corporation<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.<BR>P.O. Box 1689<BR>Yakima, Washington
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8<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:33:05 +0000<BR>From: Andrew Hay <<A
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Re: [WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>I did the petition for removal from land
registration for a probate a couple years ago. Let me know if you need the forms
and I'll email them directly to you.<BR><BR>Andrew Hay<BR>Hay & Swann
PLLC<BR>201 South 34th Street<BR>Tacoma, WA 98418<BR>Phone: (253)
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cells have apparently left the building.<BR><BR>What is the additional step
beyond recording that needs to be done to get something 'registered'? For
example, I have a title where it says an Assignment of the Deed of Trust was
"recorded but not registered".<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Richard L.
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9<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:33:33 +0000<BR>From: Robert Ordal <<A
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Property Listserv <<A
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Re: [WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Richard,<BR><BR>I have not had a
registered land case in maybe 20 years, but I expect you still have to
"register" a document to affect title to registered land. It's a separate system
from the recording system. Recording does nothing. There used to be a guy named
John Raymond who ran the office in the King Co Admin Building. You would take
your docs down to him and he would "register" them in the registration books.
It's also called the Torrens system; I think it started in Adelaide, Australia
and was patterned after registering ship mortgages.<BR><BR>See: <A
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrens_title"
target=_blank>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrens_title</A><BR><BR>Bob<BR><BR>From:
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[WSBARP] Registered Lands - UGH<BR><BR>Ok, I use to know this but those brain
cells have apparently left the building.<BR><BR>What is the additional step
beyond recording that needs to be done to get something 'registered'? For
example, I have a title where it says an Assignment of the Deed of Trust was
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10<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:41:57 +0000<BR>From: Paul Neumiller <<A
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[WSBARP] HOAs and Reserve Studies - Reality Check<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR><BR>Am I reading this correct? RCW
64.38.065 seems to require that an homeowners association (not a condo) must, at
least, prepare a Reserve Study and an association is ?encouraged? to establish a
reserve account (presumably pursuant to the Reserve Study) but then RCW
64.38.085 says ?Monetary damages or any other liability may not be awarded
against or imposed upon the association, the officers or board of directors of
the association, or those persons who may have provided advice or assistance to
the association or its officers or directors, for failure to: Establish a
reserve account; have a current reserve study prepared or updated in accordance
with the requirements of this chapter; or make the reserve disclosures in
accordance with this chapter.?<BR><BR>Soooooo, RCW 64.38.065 says you must
perform a Reserve Study but RCW 64.38.085 says hey, don?t worry about it because
you aren?t liable if you don?t prepare a Reserve Study???<BR><BR>(Now I know
that an association should prepare a Reserve Study and should have a reserve
fund but that?s not my question)<BR><BR>[cid:<A
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11<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:42:42 -0700<BR>From: Jan Kelly <<A
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[WSBARP] Appraiser
Recommendations<BR>Message-ID:<BR><CAATkJAxXH+0FLTnQt=fJi-27zFr_g4rH09daNTEXa67-<A
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residential real estate appraisers who<BR>work in Seattle, Bainbridge Island and
Bellingham. Thank you.<BR><BR>-- <BR><BR><BR>*Jan Kelly, JD/MBA*Attorney at
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12<BR>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 23:49:52 +0000<BR>From: "John M. Riley III" <<A
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"<A href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</A>"
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Re: [WSBARP] HOAs and Reserve Studies - Reality Check<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
href="mailto:E2BDBB9A9C11724E8B46A60B618A971F012EFCE72A@EX01.WKLAW.LOCAL">E2BDBB9A9C11724E8B46A60B618A971F012EFCE72A@EX01.WKLAW.LOCAL</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>As we all know, there are many many sets
of covenants requiring associations all over Washington. The operation of those
associations varies, and the conduct of the members and directors/officers
varies. Many are still probably unaware of the reserve legislation you speak of.
I believe the immunity provisions are a recognition of these
facts.<BR><BR><BR>John M. Riley III<BR>Principal | Witherspoon * Kelley<BR><A
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[WSBARP] HOAs and Reserve Studies - Reality Check<BR><BR>Am I reading this
correct? RCW 64.38.065 seems to require that an homeowners association (not a
condo) must, at least, prepare a Reserve Study and an association is
"encouraged' to establish a reserve account (presumably pursuant to the Reserve
Study) but then RCW 64.38.085 says "Monetary damages or any other liability may
not be awarded against or imposed upon the association, the officers or board of
directors of the association, or those persons who may have provided advice or
assistance to the association or its officers or directors, for failure to:
Establish a reserve account; have a current reserve study prepared or updated in
accordance with the requirements of this chapter; or make the reserve
disclosures in accordance with this chapter."<BR><BR>Soooooo, RCW 64.38.065 says
you must perform a Reserve Study but RCW 64.38.085 says hey, don't worry about
it because you aren't liable if you don't prepare a Reserve Study???<BR><BR>(Now
I know that an association should prepare a Reserve Study and should have a
reserve fund but that's not my question)<BR><BR>[cid:<A
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13<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 01:10:12 +0000<BR>From: "Elizabeth [Lisa] M.
Carney" <<A
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WSBA Real Property Listserv <<A
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[WSBARP] seeking referral for debtor receiving
inheritance<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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debt [via an agreed plan] and is anticipating an inheritance.<BR><BR>PC is
seeking guidance regarding debtor rights as related to the inheritance, and
impact of the inheritance on is payment plan to the IRS.<BR><BR>He was referred
to us by his accountant.<BR><BR>Thank you.<BR><BR>Elizabeth [Lisa] M.
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14<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:28:36 +0000<BR>From: Marcus Fry
<mfry@lyon-law.com><BR>To: "WSBA Real Property Listserv (<A
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[WSBARP] 3 year wait period after tax foreclosure<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Client purchased property a county tax
foreclosure sale. Client now selling to a developer who plans to build and then
resell. Title ins. Co. states that they will not insure due to 3-year rule under
RCW 4.16.090. There was thread on this issue earlier this year and I have that
thread. However, title company is willing to insure under 2 options: (1)
Obtaining a certification from a tax title service company (that charges a
pretty sizeable fee and will be in excess what I would charge for a quiet title
action); or (2) Quiet title.<BR><BR>I am having a hard time wrapping my head
around a quiet title action in this instance.<BR><BR>Is it a declaratory action
that requests that the court declare that the county acted in accordance with
law? To me it appears that I am effectively cutting off a 3-year SOL, which
seems highly questionable. Am I correct?<BR><BR>Additionally, the other parties
of record was a defunct corporation and a private lien holder. If you have
experience in this, I would like to know do I need publish my Summons for all
interested parties in the property to satisfy the title company? All I am
getting back from underwriting at the title insurance co. is do a quiet title
action as if all quiet title actions are the same.<BR><BR>Thank
you,<BR><BR>Marcus J. Fry<BR>Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.<BR>P.O. Box
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15<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:46:46 +0000<BR>From: Jay Goldstein <<A
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Listserv <<A
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Re: [WSBARP] 3 year wait period after tax foreclosure<BR>Message-ID:<BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>I think the purpose of the QT action is to
extinguish redemption rights that may arise under <A
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(5).<BR><BR>J<BR><BR>Jay A. Goldstein<BR>[Logo Color 946x243 pixels]<BR>1800
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On Behalf Of Marcus Fry<BR>Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:29 AM<BR>To: WSBA
Real Property Listserv (<A
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[WSBARP] 3 year wait period after tax foreclosure<BR><BR>Client purchased
property a county tax foreclosure sale. Client now selling to a developer who
plans to build and then resell. Title ins. Co. states that they will not insure
due to 3-year rule under RCW 4.16.090. There was thread on this issue earlier
this year and I have that thread. However, title company is willing to insure
under 2 options: (1) Obtaining a certification from a tax title service company
(that charges a pretty sizeable fee and will be in excess what I would charge
for a quiet title action); or (2) Quiet title.<BR><BR>I am having a hard time
wrapping my head around a quiet title action in this instance.<BR><BR>Is it a
declaratory action that requests that the court declare that the county acted in
accordance with law? To me it appears that I am effectively cutting off a 3-year
SOL, which seems highly questionable. Am I correct?<BR><BR>Additionally, the
other parties of record was a defunct corporation and a private lien holder. If
you have experience in this, I would like to know do I need publish my Summons
for all interested parties in the property to satisfy the title company? All I
am getting back from underwriting at the title insurance co. is do a quiet title
action as if all quiet title actions are the same.<BR><BR>Thank
you,<BR><BR>Marcus J. Fry<BR>Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.<BR>P.O. Box
1689<BR>Yakima, Washington 98907<BR>Telephone: (509) 248-7220<BR>Facsimile:
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