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<span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#252525">18.27.010. Definitions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#252525"><a href="https://a.next.westlaw.com/Document/N24B64FD009B011E58D55DA2CB8736F2F/View/FullText.html?originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)#co_anchor_IC4FFA1402E8A11E5BF7BDF9ABE1F3CF0"><span style="color:#145DA4;text-decoration:none">Currentness</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525">The definitions in this section apply throughout this chapter unless the context clearly requires otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525">(1)(a) “Contractor” includes any person, firm, corporation, or other entity who or which, in the pursuit of an independent business
undertakes to, or offers to undertake, or submits a bid to, construct, alter, repair, add to, subtract from, improve, develop, move, wreck, or demolish any building, highway, road, railroad, excavation or other structure, project, development, or improvement
attached to real estate or to do any part thereof including the installation of carpeting or other floor covering, the erection of scaffolding or other structures or works in connection therewith, the installation or repair of roofing or siding, performing
tree removal services, or cabinet or similar installation; or, who, to do similar work upon his or her own property, employs members of more than one trade upon a single job or project or under a single building permit except as otherwise provided in this
chapter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">(b) “Contractor” also includes a consultant acting as a general contractor.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#252525">18.27.020. Registration required--Prohibited acts--Criminal penalty--Monitoring program<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#252525"><a href="https://a.next.westlaw.com/Document/N3C832A902E5111DC86DB96B0340B67D6/View/FullText.html?originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)#co_anchor_IF25CB540FDFE11E488BFBBC336AA5652"><span style="color:#145DA4;text-decoration:none">Currentness</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">(1) Every contractor shall register with the department.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525">(2) It is a gross misdemeanor for any contractor to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525">(a) Advertise, offer to do work, submit a bid, or perform any work as a contractor without being registered as required by this chapter;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#252525">18.27.080. Registration prerequisite to suit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#252525"><a href="https://a.next.westlaw.com/Document/NC2424950A12911E08F2DB58B7595642C/View/FullText.html?originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)#co_anchor_I66AD2DE0FE0311E488BFBBC336AA5652"><span style="color:#145DA4;text-decoration:none">Currentness</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525">No person engaged in the business or acting in the capacity of a contractor may bring or maintain any action in any court of this state
for the collection of compensation for the performance of any work or for breach of any contract for which registration is required under this chapter without alleging and proving that he or she was a duly registered contractor and held a current and valid
certificate of registration at the time he or she contracted for the performance of such work or entered into such contract. For the purposes of this section, the court shall not find a contractor in substantial compliance with the registration requirements
of this chapter unless: (1) The department has on file the information required by <a href="https://a.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST18.27.030&originatingDoc=NC2424950A12911E08F2DB58B7595642C&refType=LQ&originationContext=document&transitionType=DocumentItem&contextData=(sc.Category)"><span style="color:#145DA4;text-decoration:none">RCW
18.27.030</span></a>; (2) the contractor has at all times had in force a current bond or other security as required by <a href="https://a.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST18.27.040&originatingDoc=NC2424950A12911E08F2DB58B7595642C&refType=LQ&originationContext=document&transitionType=DocumentItem&contextData=(sc.Category)"><span style="color:#145DA4;text-decoration:none">RCW
18.27.040</span></a>; and (3) the contractor has at all times had in force current insurance as required by<a href="https://a.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST18.27.050&originatingDoc=NC2424950A12911E08F2DB58B7595642C&refType=LQ&originationContext=document&transitionType=DocumentItem&contextData=(sc.Category)"><span style="color:#145DA4;text-decoration:none">RCW
18.27.050</span></a>. In determining under this section whether a contractor is in substantial compliance with the registration requirements of this chapter, the court shall take into consideration the length of time during which the contractor did not hold
a valid certificate of registration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bryce Dille<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 26, 2015 10:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] "Designer" non-architect - lien rights? right to advertise as "architect"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Does this mean that a construction manager or consultant who performs no work on the property and does not have to be a registered contractor has no lien rights
since these services are not defined as professional services under the statute?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bryce H. Dille
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Campbell, Dille, Barnett & Smith, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">P.O. Box 488<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Goldstein<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 26, 2015 10:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] "Designer" non-architect - lien rights? right to advertise as "architect"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<h2 style="margin-top:0in;mso-line-height-alt:12.0pt;background:white">Look at 60.04.011<span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></h2>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525">(5) “Improvement” means: (a) Constructing, altering, repairing, remodeling, demolishing, clearing, grading, or filling in, of, to, or upon any real property or
street or road in front of or adjoining the same; (b) planting of trees, vines, shrubs, plants, hedges, or lawns, or providing other landscaping materials on any real property; and (c<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">) providing professional
services upon real property or in preparation for or in conjunction with the intended activities in (a) or (b) of this subsection.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525">(11) “Potential lien claimant” means any person or entity entitled to assert lien rights under this chapter who has otherwise complied with the provisions of this
chapter and is registered or licensed if required to be licensed or registered by the provisions of the laws of the state of Washington<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#252525">(13) “Professional services” means surveying, establishing or marking the boundaries of, preparing maps, plans, or specifications for, or inspecting, testing, or
otherwise performing any other architectural or engineering services for the improvement of real property.</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Freehand521 BT",serif;color:#17365D">Jay A. Goldstein<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#404040">1800 Cooper Point RD SW NO. 8</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5D6F21"> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4C4C4C"> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5C6D2C">|</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5D6F21"> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4C4C4C"> Olympia,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 25, 2015 11:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] "Designer" non-architect - lien rights? right to advertise as "architect"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks everybody! And thanks Jay for the cite to the lien law--helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A couple wrinkles:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1. Advertising as "architect" - interestingly, it appears that "architect" is one of the search key words embedded in his site so that you are directed there
via a search engine, but his website doesn't actually say "architect" visibly anywhere. In fact the website appears to rather carefully NOT say architect, or even mention anything about his qualifications. This still sound like a violation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">2. Lien - my understanding is that a "building designer" is unlicensed and unregulated in Washington, but nevertheless allowed to design stuff that I'd consider
architecture--like expansions and renovations of existing homes. Given that a license isn't required, can the designer gain lien rights as he's theoretically providing "professional services" related to improvement of real property?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1320 University St<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Seattle WA 98101-2837<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">phone 206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Goldstein<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 25, 2015 9:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] "Designer" non-architect - lien rights? right to advertise as "architect"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Bad guy needs to get a letter from AIA state chapter alerting bad guy that he is violating the law, needs to stop false advertising, etc, and cc DOL.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">I’ve had to write many of these letters to unlicensed practitioners for a state organization of licensed professionals, and the bad guys generally stop the unlawful practice pretty quickly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">J<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Freehand521 BT",serif;color:#17365D">Jay A. Goldstein<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#404040">1800 Cooper Point RD SW NO. 8</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5D6F21"> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4C4C4C"> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5C6D2C">|</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5D6F21"> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4C4C4C"> Olympia,
WA 98502</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5D6F21">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#17365D"><a href="mailto:jay@jaglaw.net">jay@jaglaw.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark K. Funke<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] "Designer" non-architect - lien rights? right to advertise as "architect"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric -<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As for the licensing issue, it’s a gross misdemeanor and subjects him to civil penalties.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just ask a licensed architect how they feel about “designers” calling themselves architects… I have found enforcement by the state lax in WA but brutal and swift in CA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">18.08.460<br>
Violation of chapter — Penalties — Enforcement — Injunctions — Persons who may initiate proceedings.<o:p></o:p></span></h3>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">(1) Any person who violates any provision of this chapter or any rule promulgated under it is guilty of a misdemeanor and may also be subject to a civil penalty in an amount not to exceed one thousand dollars
for each offense.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Authorization to practice required — Out-of-state firms — Interns.<o:p></o:p></span></h3>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">(1) It is unlawful for any person to practice or offer to practice architecture in this state, or to use in connection with his or her name or otherwise assume, use, or advertise any title or description including
the word "architect," "architecture," "architectural," or language tending to imply that he or she is an architect, unless the person is registered or authorized to practice in the state of Washington under this chapter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mark K. Funke, Attorney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">1411 East Olive Way<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 24, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:Eric@SAYRELAWOFFICES.COM">Eric@SAYRELAWOFFICES.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Potential client hired someone whose website says "architect" and he calls himself that too. But he's not a licensed architect and the fine print in the contract says he's
a design firm, not an architect or engineer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Assuming for the moment this guy is at least reasonably qualified to do the job but just doesn't have the state license for an architect--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1. Can he lien the project?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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