<div dir="ltr">All useful options but I'm looking for something a little more quick and sharp versus litigation. Think scalpel not hammer.<div><br></div><div>Thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>Rob Rowley</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Rich Holland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rich@pnwle.com" target="_blank">rich@pnwle.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I agree with that. I mean it seems silly but do you need to file a quiet title action – I mean it is clearly a cloud on title - and make a judge FORCE them
to provide the payoff or lose the lien right?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Rich Holland<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Higgins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:14 PM<span class=""><br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] DSHS Won't Provide A Payoff Of Lien In A Closing To An Attorney But Will Do So With A Title Company- Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">If a creditor refuses an offer to get paid off, do they lose the right to collect the debt later? Seems to me DSHS is refusing an offer to get paid.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Rob Rowley <<a href="mailto:rob@rowleylegal.com" target="_blank">rob@rowleylegal.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Ronald,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I already offered to the local title company to tender the payoff funds (and pay a fee if necessary) and have them forward it to DSHS (kind of like a
sub-escrow). Offer was refused.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I was hoping for a shortcut from some really smart attorney on the listserv so that I didn’t have to work the ladder at DSHS.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">You’d think with the continual budget crises in Olympia that they’d be more accommodating.
</span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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R. Rowley</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d"> | Attorney at Law</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">505 W. Riverside Ave, Suite 500</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">Telephone: <a href="tel:%28509%29%20252-5074" target="_blank">
(509) 252-5074</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">Mobile: <a href="tel:%28509%29%20994-1143" target="_blank">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald L. Coleman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBARP] DSHS Won't Provide A Payoff Of Lien In A Closing To An Attorney But Will Do So With A Title Company- Thoughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Rob,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Might you use the title company to pay it off as part of clearing the title, and pay a fee should they require it? If that does not work,
time to go higher up the ladder at DSHS and maybe start with an atty at your local office for DSHS.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Ron Coleman</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Ronald L. Coleman<br>
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<a href="tel:253-238-5129" target="_blank">253-238-5129</a> - <a href="mailto:rcoleman@dpearson.com" target="_blank">
rcoleman@dpearson.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#5a647f">Davies Pearson,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob Rowley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA RPPT<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] DSHS Won't Provide A Payoff Of Lien In A Closing To An Attorney But Will Do So With A Title Company- Thoughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Friends,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Any thoughts on how to get an accurate payoff from DSHS on an old child support lien. Standard residential real estate closing. Originally the preliminary title commitment and
file was opened up with a Spokane title company as closer. The parties then substituted me, as closer, at the last minute for various reasons. Seller has a very old child support lien for less than $1000 reflected on the preliminary title commitment. I
kept asking DSHS for an accurate payoff statement and no response. Because we had no time (foreclosure sale the next day) I went ahead and calculated an astronomical amount of interest as a withholding to ensure it gets paid off which I’m currently holding
in my trust account.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my email correspondence with DSHS I've come to discover that only title companies have the authority to get payoff statements from DSHS in the absence of a DSHS release form
executed by the judgment debtor. DSHS provided the accurate payoff to the Spokane title company who issued the preliminary title commitment (and has been handsomely paid for it), but local title company
<u>refuses </u>to release the DSHS payoff amount in the absence of a release from the seller/judgment debtor. I’ve taken the issue up as far as I can with the title company.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Assume the seller/judgment debtor is nowhere to be found to execute the release form.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Any thoughts?<u></u><u></u></p>
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R. Rowley</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> | Attorney at Law</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">505 W. Riverside Ave, Suite 500</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Spokane, WA 99201</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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