[WSBARP] [WSBAPT] Title Company Refusing to Honor TODD

[Eric Nelsen]

Or maybe have PR use a B&S deed to convey to the TODD owners. Same effect, since it clears their TODD title from any possible estate clawback. Maybe Rainier Title would agree to that?

Sincerely,

Eric

Eric C. Nelsen
Sayre Law Offices, PLLC
1417 31st Ave South
Seattle WA 98144-3909
206-625-0092
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Have all three owners sign a warranty deed to buyer, and have the estate execute a separate PR deed (basically a bargain & sale deed, without covenant of seisin). The warranty deeds convey actual title, and the estate clears any putative clawback right caused by unpaid estate debts.

All owners and the PR all sign escrow instructions directing distribution of net proceeds in equal shares to the three owners, and report the proceeds on their SSNs and not the Estate EIN.

Not that I’ve encountered this before—just the first workaround I can come up with.

Second workaround is to bail on Rainier Title. But I think the industry in general does not like TODDs, so I’m not sure what problems you would encounter elsewhere.

Sincerely,

Eric

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Sayre Law Offices, PLLC
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Title Company Refusing to Honor TODD

Greetings List Members -

I have a messy probate - it's messy because after creating a Will with me years ago, my client worked with a financial adviser who had her put everything on TOD, including a TODD for her real property.  The death certificate was recorded.

Sadly, there are tons of creditor claims.  The 3 new owners of the home (via the TODD) have decided they need to sell to pay off the debts. OK, so Rainier Title is now telling me that they want the Executor to take responsibility and sell this property as a PR Deed.

In speaking with the rep from Rainier Title he stated TWICE - WE DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW.

He wants me to just write a PR deed and have the Executor "sell" this property and then take the proceeds.

Now, I would honestly LOVE to do this. It would be so much easier than having to write to each owner and say - hey, under the abatement statute I need X% back to cover the debts.   Truly, there is nothing more I would love than if this were to be under my control and just not have to deal with clawing back money that was sent out through beneficiary designations.

Can anyone out there provide me legal cover by where I and my Executor have the ability to vitiate a valid TODD (signed in 2018, btw, this was not something done death bed) and turn this into an estate sale?

I got extremely frustrated as this title representative just said "lots of attorneys will just do this..." and maybe someone reading this will.  But I am literally trying to rewrite our standards for Character and Fitness (report being published soon by SU Law online law review).

But I also acknowledge that there may be some case law out there that supports that a title company can require extra steps when the sale of property is less than one year from the date of death.

Appreciate any guidance that gives me and the PR both ethical and lawful cover.

Brent

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