[WSBARP] Can a Will Revoke a JTWROS

Jeff at bellanddavispllc.com Jeff at bellanddavispllc.com
Wed Oct 27 13:35:22 PDT 2021


So, the dilemma faced by client is should he try to terminate the JTWROS by deeding from himself, as JT, to himself as TIC, as suggested by John, risk marital harmony by asking wife to officially convert the property to CP through the deeding process, or better yet, bring a lawsuit to change the character (which would really bring on a discord between spouses).  Asking W first may be best and if she refuses do the deed from himself to himself.  If the deed from/to himself does not work, I am at a loss as to how a JT can unilaterally break the joint tenancy.

 

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Technically that is true. But any will that does not adequately provide for a surviving spouse could be overridden by Ch. 11.54 RCW. The legislature raised the homestead amount to the median home price in that county, so a King County widow could request up to $749,000 as a homestead award if she is omitted from the Will.  The legislative intent is that widows would not be forced to sell their home or become homeless upon the death of their spouse.

To Jeff’s point, if there are step-children, the step-children can request to share in the homestead award. But widow would have a compelling argument to ask the court to carve out a life estate for her if that was not done in the will, and I have seen the courts do that (or send the parties to mediation, where that is the obvious solution to the step-children dilemma if careful planning was not done).

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Non-family lawyer here.

 

So, a spouse cannot *encumber* a CP asset without consent of the other spouse, but a spouse can *gift* their own ½ share of a CP asset via will.  Is that a good understanding?

 

 

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Thanks, Paul.  Interesting issues.  The statute impliedly recognizes that a married invidividual can gift his or her share of cp “by will” without the consent of the other.  Clearly a bequest is a ‘gift’; I believe the judges would find that section controls and allows gifting by will without the spouse or dpartner’s consent.

 

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This is my successful briefing from a 2003 case.  I have not revisited the issue since then.  I make no representations that it applies in this case, Just saying……….

 

ISSUE

            Whether the Gift Deed executed by the Decedent is a proper and valid gift of community real property without the signature or express or implied consent of her husband.

II.         RULE

            To be a proper and valid gift of community property, a spouse must have the express or implied consent of the other spouse.  To be a proper and valid conveyance of community real property, both spouses must join in the execution of the deed.

            Section 26.16.030 of the Revised Code of Washington, in part, states:

26.16.030. Community Property Defined – Management and Control. Property not acquired or owned, as prescribed in RCW 26.16.010 [Separate Property of Husband] and 26.16.020 [Separate Property of Wife], acquired after marriage by either husband or wife or both , is community property.  Either spouse, acting alone, may manage and control community property, with a like power of disposition as the acting spouse has over his or her separate property, except:…

 

(2)       Neither spouse shall give community property without the express or implied consent of the other.

 

(3)       Neither spouse shall sell, convey, or encumber the community real property without the other spouse joining in the execution of the deed or other instrument by which the real estate is sold, conveyed, or encumbered, and such deed or other instrument must be acknowledged by both spouses.….

 

In Nichols Hill Bank v. McCool, Jr., 104 Wn.2d 78, 701 P.2d 1114 (1985) (a copy of which is attached as Attachment “A”), the Washington Supreme Court interpreted RCW 26.16.030(2) where a husband guarantied a loan to a son without his wife’s consent.  The loan was discharged in bankruptcy for the son and the bank sought judgment against the husband’s separate property and the husband’s one-half interest in the community property. The trial court dismissed the claim against the husband’s community property.  The Supreme Court held that:

 

RCW 26.16.030(2) specifically requires the consent of both spouses before a gift of community property can be effectuated. If we found that a creditor could reach the donor spouse’s one-half interest in community property, the total amount of that property would be diminished. We would, in effect, be defying the statutory mandate by allowing the community estate to be gratuitously reduced without the consent of both spouses.

 

Id. at 88.  The Supreme Court affirmed the trial court judgment dismissing the claim against the husband’s community property solely because the wife had not given consent.

            A second case is factually similar to this matter. In Bosone v Bosone, 53 Wn. App. 614, 768 P.2d 1022 (1989) (a copy of which is attached as Attachment “B”), a husband and wife entered into a community property agreement that converted all of their separate assets into community property. Unbeknownst to the wife, the husband deeded their residence to his children from a former marriage.  After the husband’s death, his children from the former marriage listed the residence for sale and the surviving spouse brought a quiet title action. The Washington Court of Appeals affirmed the trial court’s grant of summary judgment to the wife and declared the deed void and invalid under both RCW 26.16.030(2) (requiring consent of both spouses for gift of community property) and RCW 26.16.030(3) (requiring both spouses to join in and acknowledge a conveyance of community real property.)

 

 

 

 

 



 

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But look at RCW 26.16.030(1):

 

1.	Neither person shall devise or bequeath by will more than one-half of the community property.  

 

How does this work with RCW 26.16.030(3) dealing with conveying community real property?  I still think you can, by Will, transfer the community interest to any person you want.  It just requires both parties, surviving spouse + heir(s) signing the deed.  This can lead to a partition action.

 

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Plus, there is case law out there that says you must have the consent of both spouses to transfer community property.  

 

 



 

 

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After severing the joint tenancy in the case of a married/partnered couple, the property remains community property, however held. (See, RCW 64.28.040).

 

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Jeff:

 

I would have the client deed his interest to himself as TIC, severing the JT. 

 

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I’m not a dirt attorney, but I would probably use a SWD rather than a QCD, to not risk losing title insurance. 

 

One thing I’m not certain of, but I believe the effect is to convert the spouse’s interest into TIC as well. 

 

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On Oct 27, 2021, at 8:48 AM, jeff at bellanddavispllc.com <mailto:jeff at bellanddavispllc.com>  wrote:

 

John & Craig,

 

First, John,

 

I read RCW 64.28.010.  What does it mean that a joint tenant has a unilateral right to sever  the  joint tenancy.  How is that done?  Can the PC record a document saying he is severing the joint tenancy?

 

Craig,

 

I always understood that each spouse has a right to transfer their community interest, by Will, to anyone they want.  This become especially, painful, in a blended family setting where one spouse gives his or her CP interest to their children, without reserving a life estate in the surviving spouse.  Of course the step-children hate the evil step-parent and immediately move to sell the house to get their rightful share.

 

Jeff

 

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I must ask: Isn't this actually community property? So don't you need that analysis as well, i.e. how to devise the client's 1/2 community interest in the property?

 

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Jeff:

 

You are right that a super will provision will not achieve the client’s purpose. 

 

But “ [a] joint tenancy shall have the incidents of survivorship and severability as at common law, including the unilateral right of each tenant to sever the joint tenancy ….”

 

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The client can sever the JTWROS if he wants his interest to pass under his will to his son. 

 

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On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:56 AM, Jeff at bellanddavispllc.com <mailto:Jeff at bellanddavispllc.com>  wrote:

 

Listmates,

 

PC owns house with his wife as JTWROS.  He now wants to bequeath his ½ interest to his son.  This is a blended family and PC is afraid if he predeceases W, that W will leave everything to her children.  Can a Will, in essence a Super Will, defeat the Joint Tenancy?   In looking at RCW 11.11.010(7)(a)(i), it appears a JTWROS, like Transfer on Death Deeds, defeat any Will provision that tries to change those non-probate designations.  Have any of you had experience with this issue?

 

Jeff Davis

 

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