[WSBARP] Can a Will Revoke a JTWROS

Roger Hawkes Roger at law-hawks.com
Wed Oct 27 12:22:31 PDT 2021 

I don’t think it requires spouse to sign; the statute is specific that a decedent can bequeath his or her share of cp to anyone; that is more specific than the other sections requiring deeds to be signed by both.

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But look at RCW 26.16.030(1):


  1.  Neither person shall devise or bequeath by will more than one-half of the community property.

How does this work with RCW 26.16.030(3) dealing with conveying community real property?  I still think you can, by Will, transfer the community interest to any person you want.  It just requires both parties, surviving spouse + heir(s) signing the deed.  This can lead to a partition action.

Jeff

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Plus, there is case law out there that says you must have the consent of both spouses to transfer community property.


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After severing the joint tenancy in the case of a married/partnered couple, the property remains community property, however held. (See, RCW 64.28.040).

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Jeff:

I would have the client deed his interest to himself as TIC, severing the JT.

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I’m not a dirt attorney, but I would probably use a SWD rather than a QCD, to not risk losing title insurance.

One thing I’m not certain of, but I believe the effect is to convert the spouse’s interest into TIC as well.

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On Oct 27, 2021, at 8:48 AM, jeff at bellanddavispllc.com<mailto:jeff at bellanddavispllc.com> wrote:

John & Craig,

First, John,

I read RCW 64.28.010.  What does it mean that a joint tenant has a unilateral right to sever  the  joint tenancy.  How is that done?  Can the PC record a document saying he is severing the joint tenancy?

Craig,

I always understood that each spouse has a right to transfer their community interest, by Will, to anyone they want.  This become especially, painful, in a blended family setting where one spouse gives his or her CP interest to their children, without reserving a life estate in the surviving spouse.  Of course the step-children hate the evil step-parent and immediately move to sell the house to get their rightful share.

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I must ask: Isn't this actually community property? So don't you need that analysis as well, i.e. how to devise the client's 1/2 community interest in the property?

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Jeff:

You are right that a super will provision will not achieve the client’s purpose.

But “ [a] joint tenancy shall have the incidents of survivorship and severability as at common law, including the unilateral right of each tenant to sever the joint tenancy ….”

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The client can sever the JTWROS if he wants his interest to pass under his will to his son.

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On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:56 AM, Jeff at bellanddavispllc.com<mailto:Jeff at bellanddavispllc.com> wrote:

Listmates,

PC owns house with his wife as JTWROS.  He now wants to bequeath his ½ interest to his son.  This is a blended family and PC is afraid if he predeceases W, that W will leave everything to her children.  Can a Will, in essence a Super Will, defeat the Joint Tenancy?   In looking at RCW 11.11.010(7)(a)(i), it appears a JTWROS, like Transfer on Death Deeds, defeat any Will provision that tries to change those non-probate designations.  Have any of you had experience with this issue?

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