[WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session

Thu Dec 17 16:36:26 PST 2020

So there you have it.  There are enough who "vehemently support" the
"expropriation of dwellings" that they can now outvote y'all, so what do you
expect from politicians?

Since the Governor has not "surgically" addressed the overreach problems in
four iterations of the moratorium, it is not likely going to happen in the
fifth.

It appears to be time for the section to organize an evaluation of the
proposed legislation.  I assume our appointed leaders are working on such.

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[mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Christy M
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 2:41 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session

I, for one, do not meekly accept; I vehemently support.  

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From: "K. Garl Long" <Garl at longlaw.biz> 

Date: 12/17/20 2:15 PM (GMT-08:00) 

To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com> 

Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session 

If you choose to put money that you have earned into the pocket of the owner
of a dwelling, in exchange for the privilege of living there, it is called a
contract.

If the government expropriates the dwelling from the owner so that you can
live there without paying, it is theft. You may recall that the Intolerable
Acts included such expropriation of dwellings.  This is what our founders
fought against, and which we now meekly accept.

KGL

On 12/17/2020 01:55 PM, Andrew Hay wrote:

Voltaire again . As far as his notion of government taking money from one
class and giving to another, as a non-landlord, I see my money going to  the
pockets of landlords.  I fund governmental benefits with my taxes.  Those
benefits are paid to landlords for rent.  Generally, rent paid to landlords
by those on government benefits is a disproportionately high percentage of
their income.  Voltaire would likely conclude the landlords are the ones
benefitting from this governmental transfer.

Perhaps the moratorium suspends this transfer to landlords to allow my taxes
to temporarily fund pandemic relief.

Andrew Hay

Hay & Swann PLLC

201 S. 34th St.

Tacoma, WA 98418

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[mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of K. Garl Long
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To: WSBA Real Property Listserv; Rob Rowley
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It is not inequality which is the real misfortune, it is dependence.
Voltaire again.

On 12/17/2020 11:25 AM, Rob Rowley wrote:

In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as
possible from one class of citizens to give to another.  Voltaire.

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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session

I just entered into an agreement to sell 4 of my 12 rental homes as a
package.  All will be town down and replaced with McMansions. These are nice
homes that I am proud to own, two of which have tenants in them for more
than 10 years.  While all my tenants are current in their rent, I no longer
wish to be in the rental housing business in a state that is clearly trying
to kill that business.  

As they say, it is "a feature, not a bug."

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Hecker, Wakefield & Feilberg, P.S.

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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session

The long-term consequences of forcing landlords to absorb large financial
losses are predictable:  landlords will liquidate their real estate
investments (they'll sell).  Tenants will have much less housing to choose
from.  Rental houses will be incredibly hard to find.  The void might be
filled by corporate landlords building apartments or government landlords
building projects.  

This is very bad for tenants, long term.  The loss of rental housing will
affect all of us.

Rani K. Sampson

Overcast Law Offices | Attorney

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On Behalf Of Kary Krismer
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Landlord Question - Next legislative session

You're generalizing.  The moratorium protects an entire class regardless of
their need, at the expense of another class, regardless of their need.  If
it were based on economics I'd have little problem with it, but it's not.
Beyond that though, I'm worried about the long term adverse effects on those
who actually need the protection.  The moratorium may have given them a
false sense of security and lead them to make bad decisions.  Back when I
practiced law I did primarily debtor bankruptcy and the moratorium is likely
causing people to make decisions that no competent financial planner would
ever advise them to make.

Also, you can't even assume someone who rents cannot afford to own.  They
may just not wish to own for many different reasons.

Kary L. Krismer
206 723-2148

On 12/17/2020 10:20 AM, Andrew Hay wrote:

I will take the pro moratorium position.  Donning my suit of armor at the
same time...

This is a time of great economic pain due to a pandemic unequaled by any
health crisis in 100 years.  The moratoriums are a policy protecting the
most vulnerable people in the population as a whole - renters.  As a group
they are either poor or old or both.  They are people who can't afford homes
due to lack of wealth.

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