[WSBARP] ejectment or UL detainer

[Eric Nelsen]

I think Paul is right. Mortgage payment = monthly rent. Best argument yet.

Sincerely,

Eric

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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Paul Neumiller
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 12:33 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] ejectment or UL detainer

Bryce, I am confused.  You first said that he paid no rent (except the utilities) but now you say that he and his sister agreed that he will pay the mortgage ("and the sister then required he make the mortgage payments if he wanted to stay there which he did").  So, in my mind, the amount of rent equals the amount of the mortgage.  Isn't rent the direct payment of money to sister OR a direct payment of sister's legal obligation (ie. mortgage payment)?  On this set of facts, if I have them correctly and, at least in my backwater neck of the woods, I'd argue a verbal lease with rent equal to the mortgage payment.  And, because there is no set term, it is a month-to-month lease so I would give the brother a 20 day notice.  If, brother stopped paying the mortgage, then I'd give the brother a combined 3-day and 20-day notice.


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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Bryce Dille
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] ejectment or UL detainer

Unfortunately I don't think that's available since he was in the house with permission of the mother then when she died he continued in possession and the sister then required he make the mortgage payments if he wanted to stay there which he did but now she wants him out for various personal  reasons and the fact she wants to sell and get the equity out of the house. So I think ejectment is my only practical remedy



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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of HOWARD HERMAN
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] ejectment or UL detainer

Take a look at RCW 59.12.030(6).   59.12 is the statute that  59.18 is built on and defines unlawful detainer. This situation is not a residential landlord/tenant relationship and therefore your relief is in 59.12. Give the 3 day notice to vacate followed by the special summons form in 59.18.365 in the event he doesn't move in 3 days. The complaint need only to state that the sister is the owner of the property, that the brother is in violation of 59.12.030 (6) and that he has failed to vacate after service of the 3 day notice. By motion, you can get an order to set a show cause hearing 8 days following the return date on the summons.  This order to show cause can be served along with the summons.  Service and declaration of service should be by someone other than the sister and following the requirements of CR 4.

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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 4:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] ejectment or UL detainer

The son probably would be considered a licensee under a license from Mom, revocable now by his sister.
In my experience, unless the son is willing to do the right thing and simply move out, the legal fees to either evict (and it would likely be characterized as a tenancy by sufferance and not subject to the traditional chapter 59.18 RCW unlawful detainer process), eject, or file a declaratory judgment action to terminate the license (quiet title) will easily exceed $2,500.
I would offer that amount to the son (to be paid after he has moved out) upon the condition he is gone in 10 days and signs a quitclaim deed, otherwise tell him the $2,500 will be used to retain a lawyer to force him out with him, in all probability, getting nothing other than any inheritance or intestate share.

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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Bryce Dille
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:29 PM
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Subject: [WSBARP] ejectment or UL detainer

In a tenancy situation where occupant lived in property with consent of mother and then mother dies and property is inherited by sister of occupant and although he pays no rent or mortgage payment he does pay utilities and keeps the place up now sister wants him out  and notice of termination has been given in this, case 30 days can the eviction be thru a unlawful detainer action or must it be action for ejectment. Thank as always for your input



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