[WSBARP] Ejectment and "Sovereign Citizens"

Tue Jan 12 14:10:28 PST 2016

I retired as a District Court Judge earlier this year.  I handled quite a few of these litigants as a judicial officer.
Most of them are not died in the wool converts , and fail to follow-up more than a few moments of sounding off in a courtroom.

My favorite was a litigant who claimed rights under the Louisiana Purchase, and filed as an attachment the treaty between “his Catholic Majesty” and the US of A.  Interesting document.  As I recall it never mentioned” France”, but only that the treaty as being between “his Catholic Majesty”  and the US of A.  Now that I think about it, I had heard that Napolean needed money, but apparently legally things were being set up on paper between the Monarchy and the purchaser.

There is a criminal offense that can be charged if they file “common law liens” against your or your client’s real property.

Yes, Good luck.

Joshua F. Grant, PS
Attorney at Law
P. O. Box 619
Wilbur, WA 99185
tel 509 647 5578
fax 509 647 2734

From: Kirk Mulfinger 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:15 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv 
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Ejectment and "Sovereign Citizens"

Oh boy, you will have fun with this.  This is probably not that helpful, but it may give you an idea of what’s coming.

It has been a long time, but when I was a prosecutor in a rural county I used to deal with and get sued by these guys all the time (I wonder if the various warrants they issued for me are still out there).  The fact that there is no such thing as a “sovereign citizen” doesn’t matter to them.  They like to claim all kinds of silly stuff, like the fringe on the flag in the courtroom means the court is actually a court of admiralty and therefore has no jurisdiction to hear non admiralty cases; something about the thirteenth amendment being improperly adopted and that somehow invalidating the tax code and drivers licenses etc.  

Unfortunately, with the internet they can go out there and get binders full of motions that they try to bury you with although they haven’t read them either, and it may be worthwhile to google it and I’m sure you will see what is likely coming.  The good news is that in my experience the courts don’t waste too much time with the motions, they find that they have jurisdiction and then deny the binders full of motions usually without any argument, and things move forward from there.

One other note; occasionally you get truly committed “sovereign citizens”, but more often than not they just heard from a buddy that if they file all this stuff you will run for the hills, and the court won’t be able to do anything to them.  They settle down and are more cooperative when they see that you are not frightened by their arguments and that you are not going away.

Good Luck,

Kirk Mulfinger

Mulfinger Law Group, PLLC

227 Bellevue Way NE, Suite 65

Bellevue, WA 98004

Tel:   (425) 283-4155

Fax:  (425) 283-4156

website:  www.purchaselaw.com 

email:       kirk at purchaselaw.com 

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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Richard Holland
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:51 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Ejectment and "Sovereign Citizens"

My favorite – and it is my only personal experience with this – was representing a lender at a trustee’s sale where the claim was that the only legal tender under the Constitution is gold and that since only they brought gold coins only they could bid.  From what I know second hand, they do not recognize the authority of the US Court system.  You’ll most likely be dealing with defaults, ‘special appearances challenging jurisdiction’ and the need for the Sheriff to be involved in just about everything from process to enforcement.

From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Flatt
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:31 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Ejectment and "Sovereign Citizens"

Good Morning,

Upon further review, I realize my question may not have been specific enough.  I know that there's no such thing as a sovereign citizen, but I also know some of them are really committed to creating headaches for people who oppose them.  What sort of antics should I and my client expect, particularly in a property dispute situation? And if anyone has dealt with these types of situations in the past, would they allow me to pick their brain for a few minutes over the phone?

Best Regards,

DANIELLE FLATT | ATTORNEY | DIMENSION LAW GROUP PLLC 
234 SW 43rd St, Suite MA | Renton, WA 98057

t: 206.973.3500 | f: 206.577.5090| e: danielle at dimensionlaw.com| www.dimensionlaw.com

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Lenard <lwlaw at my180.net> wrote:

  It has been several years but there is no such thing as a single sovereign citizen.  The US Supreme Court has said that with our form of government the sovereignty lies with the people, not the government or the president (because that would make him a king).  That is, the people collectively, not individually, are sovereign.  Some people misinterpret these old court cases and decide that they are sovereign.  Not so.

  Lenard L. Wittlake, PLLC

  Attorney & Counselor at Law

  22 E. Poplar Street, Suite 200

  P.O. Box 1233

  Walla Walla, WA  99362

  (509) 529-1529 voice

  (509) 850-3515 fax

  LWLaw at my180.net

  www.lwattorney.com

  From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Danielle Flatt
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:26 PM
  To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
  Subject: [WSBARP] Ejectment and "Sovereign Citizens"

  Good Afternoon,

  Has anyone dealt with sovereign citizens and ejectment issues and would be available for a 10-15 minute phone call to answer some questions? 

  Best Regards,

  DANIELLE FLATT | ATTORNEY | DIMENSION LAW GROUP PLLC 
  234 SW 43rd St, Suite MA | Renton, WA 98057

  t: 206.973.3500 | f: 206.577.5090| e: danielle at dimensionlaw.com| www.dimensionlaw.com

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