[WSBARP] WSBARP Digest, Vol 27, Issue 12
Stephen Whitehouse
swhite8893 at aol.com
Wed Dec 14 13:21:59 PST 2016
I agree with Annie that the MLS has, in the past, been willing to sell forms to lawyers on a limited basis. At one time in the past, they would sell a notebook of their complete forms. That was some time ago, so I am not sure if they would still do that. The concern you may have is that you know you want the basic sale form and the Form 17(which differs slightly from the statutory form. Your other option is if you have a good relationship with a real estate agent, that person can get you what you need.
Steve
Stephen Whitehouse
Whitehouse & Nichols, LLP
P.O. Box 1273
601 W. Railroad Ave.
Shelton, Wa. 98584
swhite8893 at aol.com
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1. Re: Referral Needed for Washington Estate Tax CPA (Lisa Vargo)
2. Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Jim Doran)
3. Revocation of CPA (John McCrady)
4. Re: Revocation of CPA (Bryce Dille)
5. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Roger Hawkes)
6. December 16th Real Property Probate and Trust Section Seminar
(Sherry Bosse Lueders)
7. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Jim Doran)
8. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(atfitz at comcast.net)
9. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Jim Doran)
10. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Marcus Fry)
11. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Jim Doran)
12. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Craig Gourley)
13. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Craig Blackmon)
14. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Craig Blackmon)
15. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate (Paul)
16. Re: Sewer Repair (Ron Housh)
17. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Jim Doran)
18. Re: Sewer Repair (Rick Hoss)
19. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate (Paul)
20. Re: Sewer Repair (Mark K. Funke)
21. Re: Sewer Repair (scott scottgthomaslaw.com)
22. Re: Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
(Jim Doran)
23. Re: Sewer Repair (Laird, Katherine)
24. Re: Sewer Repair (Ron Housh)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:25:21 +0000
From: Lisa Vargo <Lisa at staceyromberg.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Referral Needed for Washington Estate Tax CPA
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Thanks for your response!
Best,
Lisa
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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:07 PM
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On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Lisa Vargo <Lisa at staceyromberg.com<mailto:Lisa at staceyromberg.com>> wrote:
Hello listmates:
Happy snow day!
We need a referral to a CPA who has experience with Washington Estate tax issues and returns.
Here is the scenario at issue. Husband and Wife are non-residents. Husband died. At time of death "they" owned Washington real property: an apartment complex and a house which is used by the apartment manager. The house is titled in the name of a Family Living Trust. The apartment complex was titled in the name of a dissolved Washington LLC (which cannot be reinstated). The sole member of the dissolved Washington LLC is a Family Limited Partnership (general partner is a Family Management Trust which holds a 1% interest and H & W are limited partners - each holding a 49.5% interest). The Family Limited Partnership is inactive but can be reinstated. Upon husband's death, his interest in the Family Limited Partnership will be transferred to the Family Living Trust per his Will. The value of the Washington real estate is about $2.5 million, with overall estate value of about $4 million.
Probate will be out of state, but we would like to find a CPA to assist with any Washington estate tax issues. Any referrals would be appreciated.
Best,
Lisa
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:02:00 -0800
From: Jim Doran <jim at doranlegal.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
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Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and print
a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for residential real
estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a
client wants me to prepare it for him.
Thank you.
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com
www.doranlegal.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:24:33 -0800
From: John McCrady <j.mccrady at pstitle.com>
To: "WSBA Real Property (wsbarp at LISTS.WSBARPPT.COM)"
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Subject: [WSBARP] Revocation of CPA
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Does anyone know of any authority answering the following question?
1) Wife acquires property by gift from third party. (presumably separate property at this point)
2) Wife and husband execute Community Property Agreement that has language that converts all separate property to community property.
3) Wife and husband then execute a Revocation of Community Property Agreement.
Does the revocation of community property agreement have the effect of converting the property back to separate property? The revocation does not contain any language explicitly accomplishing this.
I would appreciate any guidance....
Thanks
John McCrady
Counsel
Puget Sound Title Company
5350 Orchard Street West
University Place WA 98466
253-476-5721
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 01:48:18 +0000
From: Bryce Dille <BryceD at cdb-law.com>
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>From a strictly logical standpoint as well as legal if the parties agreed thru the CPA that the property would be community once the parties revoked the agreement it was rescinded and the property was returned to its separate status unless the parties took other actions that might give the community a lien against the property such as payments on an encumbrance against the property or taxes or conveying title into both names. My two cents anyway for what's it worth.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 5:25 PM
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Subject: [WSBARP] Revocation of CPA
Does anyone know of any authority answering the following question?
1. Wife acquires property by gift from third party. (presumably separate property at this point)
2. Wife and husband execute Community Property Agreement that has language that converts all separate property to community property.
3. Wife and husband then execute a Revocation of Community Property Agreement.
Does the revocation of community property agreement have the effect of converting the property back to separate property? The revocation does not contain any language explicitly accomplishing this.
I would appreciate any guidance....
Thanks
John McCrady
Counsel
Puget Sound Title Company
5350 Orchard Street West
University Place WA 98466
253-476-5721
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:10:56 +0000
From: Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
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Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
19909 Ballinger Way NE
Shoreline, WA 98155
www.hawkeslawfirm.com<http://www.hawkeslawfirm.com/>
206 367 5000 voice
206 367 4005 fax
From: Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a client wants me to prepare it for him.
Thank you.
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 04:38:06 +0000
From: Sherry Bosse Lueders <sherry at sherryluederslaw.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBARP] December 16th Real Property Probate and Trust
Section Seminar
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 07:43:55 -0800
From: Jim Doran <jim at doranlegal.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
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I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale
Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it
has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com
www.doranlegal.com
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com> wrote:
> Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
>
>
>
> Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
>
> 19909 Ballinger Way NE
>
> Shoreline, WA 98155
>
> www.hawkeslawfirm.com
>
> 206 367 5000 <(206)%20367-5000> voice
>
> 206 367 4005 <(206)%20367-4005> fax
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and
> print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for
> residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
>
> Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a
> client wants me to prepare it for him.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:06:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: atfitz at comcast.net
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
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The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are quite reasonable.
Thanks - Annie
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From: "Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com>
To: "WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com
www.doranlegal.com
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes < Roger at law-hawks.com > wrote:
Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
19909 Ballinger Way NE
Shoreline, WA 98155
www.hawkeslawfirm.com
206 367 5000 voice
206 367 4005 fax
From: Jim Doran [mailto: jim at doranlegal.com ]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a client wants me to prepare it for him.
Thank you.
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com
www.doranlegal.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:17:52 -0800
From: Jim Doran <jim at doranlegal.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
Estate
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Ok. They don't post them for free. I have looked.
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com
www.doranlegal.com
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:06 AM, <atfitz at comcast.net> wrote:
> The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact
> NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon
> inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are
> quite reasonable.
>
> Thanks - Annie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com>
> *To: *"WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
> I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale
> Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it
> has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> James R. Doran
> Attorney at Law
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
> jim at doranlegal.com
> www.doranlegal.com
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com> wrote:
>
>> Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
>>
>> 19909 Ballinger Way NE
>>
>> Shoreline, WA 98155
>>
>> www.hawkeslawfirm.com
>>
>> 206 367 5000 <(206)%20367-5000> voice
>>
>> 206 367 4005 <(206)%20367-4005> fax
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
>> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
>> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
>> Estate
>>
>>
>>
>> Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and
>> print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for
>> residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
>>
>> Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a
>> client wants me to prepare it for him.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> James R. Doran
>>
>> Attorney at Law
>>
>> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>>
>> Bellingham, WA 98225
>> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>>
>> jim at doranlegal.com
>>
>> www.doranlegal.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> WSBARP mailing list
>> WSBARP at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp
>>
>
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From: Marcus Fry <mfry at lyon-law.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
Estate
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Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you represent.
Marcus J. Fry
Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of atfitz at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are quite reasonable.
Thanks - Annie
________________________________
From: "Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>>
To: "WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com<mailto:Roger at law-hawks.com>> wrote:
Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
19909 Ballinger Way NE
Shoreline, WA 98155
www.hawkeslawfirm.com<http://www.hawkeslawfirm.com/>
206 367 5000<tel:(206)%20367-5000> voice
206 367 4005<tel:(206)%20367-4005> fax
From: Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a client wants me to prepare it for him.
Thank you.
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506<tel:(360)%20393-9506>
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:24:26 -0800
From: Jim Doran <jim at doranlegal.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
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You get what you pay for, eh?
Thanks for the heads up.
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com
www.doranlegal.com
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Marcus Fry <mfry at lyon-law.com> wrote:
> Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or
> insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you
> represent.
>
>
>
> Marcus J. Fry
>
> Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
>
>
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *atfitz at comcast.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact
> NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon
> inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are
> quite reasonable.
>
>
>
> Thanks - Annie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com>
> *To: *"WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale
> Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it
> has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com> wrote:
>
> Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
>
>
>
> Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
>
> 19909 Ballinger Way NE
>
> Shoreline, WA 98155
>
> www.hawkeslawfirm.com
>
> 206 367 5000 <(206)%20367-5000> voice
>
> 206 367 4005 <(206)%20367-4005> fax
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and
> print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for
> residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
>
> Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a
> client wants me to prepare it for him.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:25:21 +0000
From: Craig Gourley <craig at glgmail.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
Estate
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I agree with Marcus. As attorneys we should have our own work product that is tailored to the client needs and the specifics of the property. MLS forms are a one size fits all contract designed to meet the minimum standards of creating a binding agreement without giving legal advice or giving advantage to one party or the other. Not to say you can?t make your own template that you modify based on the deal but I am not a fan of attorneys using boiler plate real estate agent forms.
Gourley Law Group
Snohomish Escrow
The Exchange Connection
1002 10th Street / PO Box 1091
Snohomish, WA 98291
360.568.5065
360.568.8092 fax
Craig at glgmail.com<mailto:Craig at glgmail.com>
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Fry
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:19 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you represent.
Marcus J. Fry
Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of atfitz at comcast.net<mailto:atfitz at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are quite reasonable.
Thanks - Annie
________________________________
From: "Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>>
To: "WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com<mailto:Roger at law-hawks.com>> wrote:
Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
19909 Ballinger Way NE
Shoreline, WA 98155
www.hawkeslawfirm.com<http://www.hawkeslawfirm.com/>
206 367 5000<tel:(206)%20367-5000> voice
206 367 4005<tel:(206)%20367-4005> fax
From: Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a client wants me to prepare it for him.
Thank you.
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506<tel:(360)%20393-9506>
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:32:04 -0800
From: Craig Blackmon <craig at lawofficeofcraigblackmon.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
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Well, as a licensed broker as well as an attorney, I would note that a
residential real estate transaction, almost by definition, needs some trust
and cooperation. If you MUST see changes to the forms, depending on your
client, then you make trust and cooperation difficult. Query whether that
is in the client's best interests - where the client can surely give
informed consent to whatever additional "risk" results.
Jim, I have the NWMLS order form and can send that along. I can also send
you my own forms (drafted for and owned by my real estate firm Added Equity
Real Estate). Just shoot me an email directly.
Craig
Craig Blackmon, Attorney at Law
Seattle Real Estate Lawyer <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/>
92 Lenora St. (The Makers Space, a shared work environment)
Seattle WA 98121
Office/Cell: (206) 369-5949 Fax: (206) 770-7328
@LawyerBroker <https://twitter.com/LawyerBroker>
How to Buy Without an Agent
<http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Buy+without+an+Agent> | How
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Marcus Fry <mfry at lyon-law.com> wrote:
> Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or
> insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you
> represent.
>
>
>
> Marcus J. Fry
>
> Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
>
>
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *atfitz at comcast.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact
> NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon
> inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are
> quite reasonable.
>
>
>
> Thanks - Annie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com>
> *To: *"WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale
> Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it
> has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com> wrote:
>
> Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
>
>
>
> Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
>
> 19909 Ballinger Way NE
>
> Shoreline, WA 98155
>
> www.hawkeslawfirm.com
>
> 206 367 5000 <(206)%20367-5000> voice
>
> 206 367 4005 <(206)%20367-4005> fax
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and
> print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for
> residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
>
> Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a
> client wants me to prepare it for him.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:02:07 -0800
From: Craig Blackmon <craig at lawofficeofcraigblackmon.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
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I should have noted that I make my forms available for free, here:
http://addedequity.com/free-wa-real-estate-forms/. It's one of my many
methods for building web traffic and spreading the message about my
innovative real estate firm.
Another attorney has already reached out to me for a set of my forms as a
professional courtesy. I am happy to do it for anyone who asks. Just give
me a couple of days to strip out the logo, insert some disclaimer language
specifically for attorneys, and I'll be able to share a set of editable
Word docs, for use as you see fit. In exchange, I ask only that you give me
frank feedback on the forms and how they might be improved, recognizing
that they are for use by real estate brokers and therefore by definition
must be "balanced" between the interests of the buyer and the seller.
Craig
Craig Blackmon, Attorney at Law
Seattle Real Estate Lawyer <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/>
92 Lenora St. (The Makers Space, a shared work environment)
Seattle WA 98121
Office/Cell: (206) 369-5949 Fax: (206) 770-7328
@LawyerBroker <https://twitter.com/LawyerBroker>
How to Buy Without an Agent
<http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Buy+without+an+Agent> | How
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Craig Blackmon <
craig at lawofficeofcraigblackmon.com> wrote:
> Well, as a licensed broker as well as an attorney, I would note that a
> residential real estate transaction, almost by definition, needs some trust
> and cooperation. If you MUST see changes to the forms, depending on your
> client, then you make trust and cooperation difficult. Query whether that
> is in the client's best interests - where the client can surely give
> informed consent to whatever additional "risk" results.
>
> Jim, I have the NWMLS order form and can send that along. I can also send
> you my own forms (drafted for and owned by my real estate firm Added Equity
> Real Estate). Just shoot me an email directly.
>
> Craig
>
> Craig Blackmon, Attorney at Law
> Seattle Real Estate Lawyer <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/>
> 92 Lenora St. (The Makers Space, a shared work environment)
> Seattle WA 98121
> Office/Cell: (206) 369-5949 Fax: (206) 770-7328
> @LawyerBroker <https://twitter.com/LawyerBroker>
> How to Buy Without an Agent
> <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Buy+without+an+Agent>
> | How to Sell FSBO
> <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Sell+FSBO> | RE
> Glossary
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> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication is a private, confidential
> electronic communication encompassed by 18 USC 2510. It is for the sole use
> of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended
> recipient does not constitute a loss of its confidential or privileged
> nature. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If
> you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender and destroy all
> copies.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Marcus Fry <mfry at lyon-law.com> wrote:
>
>> Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or
>> insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you
>> represent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus J. Fry
>>
>> Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.w
>> sbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *atfitz at comcast.net
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
>> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
>> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
>> Estate
>>
>>
>>
>> The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact
>> NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon
>> inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are
>> quite reasonable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks - Annie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com>
>> *To: *"WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
>> Estate
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale
>> Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it
>> has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> James R. Doran
>>
>> Attorney at Law
>>
>> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>>
>> Bellingham, WA 98225
>> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>>
>> jim at doranlegal.com
>>
>> www.doranlegal.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
>>
>> 19909 Ballinger Way NE
>>
>> Shoreline, WA 98155
>>
>> www.hawkeslawfirm.com
>>
>> 206 367 5000 <(206)%20367-5000> voice
>>
>> 206 367 4005 <(206)%20367-4005> fax
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
>> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
>> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
>> Estate
>>
>>
>>
>> Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and
>> print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for
>> residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
>>
>> Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a
>> client wants me to prepare it for him.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> James R. Doran
>>
>> Attorney at Law
>>
>> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>>
>> Bellingham, WA 98225
>> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>>
>> jim at doranlegal.com
>>
>> www.doranlegal.com
>>
>>
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From: Paul <pneumiller at hotmail.com>
To: "'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
Estate
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To a certain extent and depending on how many zeros are in the purchase price, I agree with Craig. There are thousands of transactions that close weekly using the NWMLS forms successfully. If a FSBO seller comes to me for the sale of a standard Leave It to Beaver house, I question my utility if I try to force use of word-processed attorney prepared form that causes grief with the buyer because, in the buyer?s mind, the buyer now needs to hire an attorney. (AND, the new attorney has to earn his income by finding fault with the another attorney?s form and now we are off to races with multiple negotiations.) Sometimes, I feel it is better (after full disclosure with the client) to use the NWMLS forms because then the seller takes it to the buyer (or vice versa) and says, ?this is the form that everyone uses and the brokers are all comfortable using? and saying that the form is a middle of the ground form that doesn?t? particularly favor one party over the over. Frequently,!
it?s a ?no-brainer.? Are there tradeoffs? Definitely yes. But if the deal goes through with no hiccups and the parties move on with their lives, then all is good. As Craig B. points out, you need trust and cooperation to move forward. The forms give both parties lots of outs but if you have a motivated buyer and a motivated seller, the deal should go through. Though I have no empirical evidence, I feel that for a standard sale of residence situation, there would be more problems created by using a lawyer-generated P&S agreement than the problems created by using the NWMLS forms. Of course, all that said, I have a CYA letter I send to my client if the client wants to use me instead of a broker.
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Craig Blackmon
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:32 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Well, as a licensed broker as well as an attorney, I would note that a residential real estate transaction, almost by definition, needs some trust and cooperation. If you MUST see changes to the forms, depending on your client, then you make trust and cooperation difficult. Query whether that is in the client's best interests - where the client can surely give informed consent to whatever additional "risk" results.
Jim, I have the NWMLS order form and can send that along. I can also send you my own forms (drafted for and owned by my real estate firm Added Equity Real Estate). Just shoot me an email directly.
Craig
Craig Blackmon, Attorney at Law
Seattle Real Estate Lawyer<http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/>
92 Lenora St. (The Makers Space, a shared work environment)
Seattle WA 98121
Office/Cell: (206) 369-5949 Fax: (206) 770-7328
@LawyerBroker<https://twitter.com/LawyerBroker>
How to Buy Without an Agent<http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Buy+without+an+Agent> | How to Sell FSBO<http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Sell+FSBO> | RE Glossary<http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Real+Estate+Glossary>
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication is a private, confidential electronic communication encompassed by 18 USC 2510. It is for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of its confidential or privileged nature. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender and destroy all copies.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Marcus Fry <mfry at lyon-law.com<mailto:mfry at lyon-law.com>> wrote:
Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you represent.
Marcus J. Fry
Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] On Behalf Of atfitz at comcast.net<mailto:atfitz at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are quite reasonable.
Thanks - Annie
________________________________
From: "Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>>
To: "WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506<tel:(360)%20393-9506>
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com<mailto:Roger at law-hawks.com>> wrote:
Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
19909 Ballinger Way NE
Shoreline, WA 98155
www.hawkeslawfirm.com<http://www.hawkeslawfirm.com/>
206 367 5000<tel:(206)%20367-5000> voice
206 367 4005<tel:(206)%20367-4005> fax
From: Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a client wants me to prepare it for him.
Thank you.
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506<tel:(360)%20393-9506>
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:55:26 -0800
From: "Ron Housh" <ron at housh.org>
To: "'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
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Side sewer line servicing private property "breaks". I am told the "break"
is below city owned property.
Who pays for repair: City of Seattle or property owner?
I seem to recall being told years ago that if a line breaks below the street
the City pays; if the line breaks from the edge of the street to the home
the owner pays.
Thanks for any feedback. Ron
I AM TYPICALLY IN THE SEATTLE OFFICE ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND IN THE
MOUNT VERNON OFFICE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY
Ronald G. Housh, P.S.
Attorney at Law
Seattle Office:
1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3000
Seattle, WA 98101-2393
Phone: 206-381-1341
Fax: 206-464-0461
Email: <mailto:ron at housh.org> ron at housh.org
Mount Vernon Office:
21411 Bluejay Place
Mount Vernon, WA 98274
Phone: 206-235-2459
Email: <mailto:ron at housh.org> ron at housh.org
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:07:03 -0800
From: Jim Doran <jim at doranlegal.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
Estate
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This is good thinking. Would you be willing to share the CYA letter
content?
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com
www.doranlegal.com
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Paul <pneumiller at hotmail.com> wrote:
> To a certain extent and depending on how many zeros are in the purchase
> price, I agree with Craig. There are thousands of transactions that close
> weekly using the NWMLS forms successfully. If a FSBO seller comes to me
> for the sale of a standard Leave It to Beaver house, I question my utility
> if I try to force use of word-processed attorney prepared form that causes
> grief with the buyer because, in the buyer?s mind, the buyer now needs to
> hire an attorney. (AND, the new attorney has to earn his income by finding
> fault with the another attorney?s form and now we are off to races with
> multiple negotiations.) Sometimes, I feel it is better (after full
> disclosure with the client) to use the NWMLS forms because then the seller
> takes it to the buyer (or vice versa) and says, ?this is the form that
> *everyone* uses and the brokers are all comfortable using? and saying
> that the form is a middle of the ground form that doesn?t? particularly
> favor one party over the over. Frequently, it?s a ?no-brainer.? Are there
> tradeoffs? Definitely yes. But if the deal goes through with no hiccups
> and the parties move on with their lives, then all is good. As Craig B.
> points out, you need trust and cooperation to move forward. The forms give
> both parties lots of outs but if you have a motivated buyer and a motivated
> seller, the deal should go through. Though I have no empirical evidence, I
> feel that for a standard sale of residence situation, there would be more
> problems created by using a lawyer-generated P&S agreement than the
> problems created by using the NWMLS forms. Of course, all that said, I
> have a CYA letter I send to my client if the client wants to use me instead
> of a broker.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Blackmon
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:32 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> Well, as a licensed broker as well as an attorney, I would note that a
> residential real estate transaction, almost by definition, needs some trust
> and cooperation. If you MUST see changes to the forms, depending on your
> client, then you make trust and cooperation difficult. Query whether that
> is in the client's best interests - where the client can surely give
> informed consent to whatever additional "risk" results.
>
>
>
> Jim, I have the NWMLS order form and can send that along. I can also send
> you my own forms (drafted for and owned by my real estate firm Added Equity
> Real Estate). Just shoot me an email directly.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> Craig Blackmon, Attorney at Law
>
> Seattle Real Estate Lawyer <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/>
>
> 92 Lenora St. (The Makers Space, a shared work environment)
>
> Seattle WA 98121
>
> Office/Cell: (206) 369-5949 Fax: (206) 770-7328
>
> @LawyerBroker <https://twitter.com/LawyerBroker>
>
> How to Buy Without an Agent
> <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Buy+without+an+Agent>
> | How to Sell FSBO
> <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Sell+FSBO> | RE
> Glossary
> <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Real+Estate+Glossary>
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication is a private, confidential
> electronic communication encompassed by 18 USC 2510. It is for the sole use
> of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended
> recipient does not constitute a loss of its confidential or privileged
> nature. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If
> you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender and destroy all
> copies.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Marcus Fry <mfry at lyon-law.com> wrote:
>
> Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or
> insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you
> represent.
>
>
>
> Marcus J. Fry
>
> Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
>
>
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *atfitz at comcast.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact
> NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon
> inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are
> quite reasonable.
>
>
>
> Thanks - Annie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com>
> *To: *"WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale
> Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it
> has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com> wrote:
>
> Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
>
>
>
> Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
>
> 19909 Ballinger Way NE
>
> Shoreline, WA 98155
>
> www.hawkeslawfirm.com
>
> 206 367 5000 <(206)%20367-5000> voice
>
> 206 367 4005 <(206)%20367-4005> fax
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and
> print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for
> residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
>
> Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a
> client wants me to prepare it for him.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
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> WSBARP mailing list
> WSBARP at lists.wsbarppt.com
> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp
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>
>
>
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>
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:25:20 -0800
From: "Rick Hoss" <rhoss at hctc.com>
To: "'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
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There should be a municipal ordinance that defines the responsibility, and
the city public works office can direct you to it. The plumber may have a
different opinion about the location of the break - most have remote in pipe
cameras.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
[mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Ron Housh
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 9:55 AM
To: 'WSBA Real Property Listserv'
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
Side sewer line servicing private property "breaks". I am told the "break"
is below city owned property.
Who pays for repair: City of Seattle or property owner?
I seem to recall being told years ago that if a line breaks below the street
the City pays; if the line breaks from the edge of the street to the home
the owner pays.
Thanks for any feedback. Ron
I AM TYPICALLY IN THE SEATTLE OFFICE ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND IN THE
MOUNT VERNON OFFICE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY
Ronald G. Housh, P.S.
Attorney at Law
Seattle Office:
1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3000
Seattle, WA 98101-2393
Phone: 206-381-1341
Fax: 206-464-0461
Email: <mailto:ron at housh.org> ron at housh.org
Mount Vernon Office:
21411 Bluejay Place
Mount Vernon, WA 98274
Phone: 206-235-2459
Email: <mailto:ron at housh.org> ron at housh.org
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:32:15 +0000
From: Paul <pneumiller at hotmail.com>
To: "'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
Estate
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Something like this:
?At your request, I have prepared the enclosed the purchase and sale documents for the purchase of the residence located at XXXXXXX, WA. As I explained to you in our meeting, I am providing the necessary documents to facilitate the sale of the residence. I am not providing any other services or functions at this time. As you know, I had advised that you hire and work through a real estate broker or sales agent because a sales agent will provide many useful services, such as assisting the parties in obtaining inspections and working with the escrow company. In order to avoid any misunderstanding or confusion, I want to make it clear that, other than providing the necessary paperwork, I am not providing the typical type of services that would be provided by a real estate agent. Accordingly, unless I hear from you stating otherwise, I will assume that I have no further duties in this matter.?
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Jim Doran
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:07 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
This is good thinking. Would you be willing to share the CYA letter content?
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Paul <pneumiller at hotmail.com<mailto:pneumiller at hotmail.com>> wrote:
To a certain extent and depending on how many zeros are in the purchase price, I agree with Craig. There are thousands of transactions that close weekly using the NWMLS forms successfully. If a FSBO seller comes to me for the sale of a standard Leave It to Beaver house, I question my utility if I try to force use of word-processed attorney prepared form that causes grief with the buyer because, in the buyer?s mind, the buyer now needs to hire an attorney. (AND, the new attorney has to earn his income by finding fault with the another attorney?s form and now we are off to races with multiple negotiations.) Sometimes, I feel it is better (after full disclosure with the client) to use the NWMLS forms because then the seller takes it to the buyer (or vice versa) and says, ?this is the form that everyone uses and the brokers are all comfortable using? and saying that the form is a middle of the ground form that doesn?t? particularly favor one party over the over. Frequently,!
it?s a ?no-brainer.? Are there tradeoffs? Definitely yes. But if the deal goes through with no hiccups and the parties move on with their lives, then all is good. As Craig B. points out, you need trust and cooperation to move forward. The forms give both parties lots of outs but if you have a motivated buyer and a motivated seller, the deal should go through. Though I have no empirical evidence, I feel that for a standard sale of residence situation, there would be more problems created by using a lawyer-generated P&S agreement than the problems created by using the NWMLS forms. Of course, all that said, I have a CYA letter I send to my client if the client wants to use me instead of a broker.
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] On Behalf Of Craig Blackmon
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:32 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Well, as a licensed broker as well as an attorney, I would note that a residential real estate transaction, almost by definition, needs some trust and cooperation. If you MUST see changes to the forms, depending on your client, then you make trust and cooperation difficult. Query whether that is in the client's best interests - where the client can surely give informed consent to whatever additional "risk" results.
Jim, I have the NWMLS order form and can send that along. I can also send you my own forms (drafted for and owned by my real estate firm Added Equity Real Estate). Just shoot me an email directly.
Craig
Craig Blackmon, Attorney at Law
Seattle Real Estate Lawyer<http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/>
92 Lenora St. (The Makers Space, a shared work environment)
Seattle WA 98121
Office/Cell: (206) 369-5949<tel:(206)%20369-5949> Fax: (206) 770-7328<tel:(206)%20770-7328>
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Marcus Fry <mfry at lyon-law.com<mailto:mfry at lyon-law.com>> wrote:
Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you represent.
Marcus J. Fry
Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] On Behalf Of atfitz at comcast.net<mailto:atfitz at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are quite reasonable.
Thanks - Annie
________________________________
From: "Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>>
To: "WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
Thanks,
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506<tel:(360)%20393-9506>
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
www.doranlegal.com<http://www.doranlegal.com>
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com<mailto:Roger at law-hawks.com>> wrote:
Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
19909 Ballinger Way NE
Shoreline, WA 98155
www.hawkeslawfirm.com<http://www.hawkeslawfirm.com/>
206 367 5000<tel:(206)%20367-5000> voice
206 367 4005<tel:(206)%20367-4005> fax
From: Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real Estate
Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a client wants me to prepare it for him.
Thank you.
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506<tel:(360)%20393-9506>
jim at doranlegal.com<mailto:jim at doranlegal.com>
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:36:45 +0000
From: "Mark K. Funke" <mark at funkelaw.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
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Ron - My understanding is that in the City of Seattle the property owner is responsible up to the point where the side-sewer connects to the main even when the side-sewer line is under city property. The property adjacent to my office building had a situation where the cost of ripping up the street and fixing the side-sewer was $90K+ (major arterial; had to have flaggers and re-route Metro buses. A real mess). Property owner paid 100%? I think I heard that they tried submitting a claim to the City of Seattle but were not successful. - Mark
__
Mark K. Funke, Attorney
P.206-632-1535
mark at funkelaw.com
www.funkelaw.com
Licensed in Oregon & Washington
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Ron Housh <ron at housh.org> wrote:
>
> Side sewer line servicing private property ?breaks?. I am told the ?break? is below city owned property.
>
> Who pays for repair: City of Seattle or property owner?
>
> I seem to recall being told years ago that if a line breaks below the street the City pays; if the line breaks from the edge of the street to the home the owner pays.
>
> Thanks for any feedback. Ron
>
>
> I AM TYPICALLY IN THE SEATTLE OFFICE ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND IN THE MOUNT VERNON OFFICE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY
>
> Ronald G. Housh, P.S.
> Attorney at Law
>
> Seattle Office:
> 1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3000
> Seattle, WA 98101-2393
> Phone: 206-381-1341
> Fax: 206-464-0461
> Email: ron at housh.org <mailto:ron at housh.org>
>
> Mount Vernon Office:
> 21411 Bluejay Place
> Mount Vernon, WA 98274
> Phone: 206-235-2459
> Email: ron at housh.org <mailto:ron at housh.org>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:37:35 -0800 (PST)
From: "scott scottgthomaslaw.com" <scott at scottgthomaslaw.com>
To: Ron Housh <ron at housh.org>, WSBA Real Property Listserv
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:46:37 -0800
From: Jim Doran <jim at doranlegal.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
Estate
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Thanks Paul.
Jim Doran
James R. Doran
Attorney at Law
100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
Bellingham, WA 98225
(360)393-9506
jim at doranlegal.com
www.doranlegal.com
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Paul <pneumiller at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Something like this:
>
>
>
> ?At your request, I have prepared the enclosed the purchase and sale
> documents for the purchase of the residence located at XXXXXXX, WA. As I
> explained to you in our meeting, I am providing the necessary documents to
> facilitate the sale of the residence. I am not providing any other
> services or functions at this time. As you know, I had advised that you
> hire and work through a real estate broker or sales agent because a sales
> agent will provide many useful services, such as assisting the parties in
> obtaining inspections and working with the escrow company. In order to
> avoid any misunderstanding or confusion, I want to make it clear that,
> other than providing the necessary paperwork, I am not providing the
> typical type of services that would be provided by a real estate agent.
> Accordingly, unless I hear from you stating otherwise, I will assume that I
> have no further duties in this matter.?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Doran
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:07 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> This is good thinking. Would you be willing to share the CYA letter
> content?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Paul <pneumiller at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> To a certain extent and depending on how many zeros are in the purchase
> price, I agree with Craig. There are thousands of transactions that close
> weekly using the NWMLS forms successfully. If a FSBO seller comes to me
> for the sale of a standard Leave It to Beaver house, I question my utility
> if I try to force use of word-processed attorney prepared form that causes
> grief with the buyer because, in the buyer?s mind, the buyer now needs to
> hire an attorney. (AND, the new attorney has to earn his income by finding
> fault with the another attorney?s form and now we are off to races with
> multiple negotiations.) Sometimes, I feel it is better (after full
> disclosure with the client) to use the NWMLS forms because then the seller
> takes it to the buyer (or vice versa) and says, ?this is the form that
> *everyone* uses and the brokers are all comfortable using? and saying
> that the form is a middle of the ground form that doesn?t? particularly
> favor one party over the over. Frequently, it?s a ?no-brainer.? Are there
> tradeoffs? Definitely yes. But if the deal goes through with no hiccups
> and the parties move on with their lives, then all is good. As Craig B.
> points out, you need trust and cooperation to move forward. The forms give
> both parties lots of outs but if you have a motivated buyer and a motivated
> seller, the deal should go through. Though I have no empirical evidence, I
> feel that for a standard sale of residence situation, there would be more
> problems created by using a lawyer-generated P&S agreement than the
> problems created by using the NWMLS forms. Of course, all that said, I
> have a CYA letter I send to my client if the client wants to use me instead
> of a broker.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Blackmon
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:32 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> Well, as a licensed broker as well as an attorney, I would note that a
> residential real estate transaction, almost by definition, needs some trust
> and cooperation. If you MUST see changes to the forms, depending on your
> client, then you make trust and cooperation difficult. Query whether that
> is in the client's best interests - where the client can surely give
> informed consent to whatever additional "risk" results.
>
>
>
> Jim, I have the NWMLS order form and can send that along. I can also send
> you my own forms (drafted for and owned by my real estate firm Added Equity
> Real Estate). Just shoot me an email directly.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> Craig Blackmon, Attorney at Law
>
> Seattle Real Estate Lawyer <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/>
>
> 92 Lenora St. (The Makers Space, a shared work environment)
>
> Seattle WA 98121
>
> Office/Cell: (206) 369-5949 <(206)%20369-5949> Fax: (206) 770-7328
>
> @LawyerBroker <https://twitter.com/LawyerBroker>
>
> How to Buy Without an Agent
> <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Buy+without+an+Agent>
> | How to Sell FSBO
> <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Sell+FSBO> | RE
> Glossary
> <http://www.seattlepropertylawyer.com/blog?category=Real+Estate+Glossary>
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication is a private, confidential
> electronic communication encompassed by 18 USC 2510. It is for the sole use
> of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended
> recipient does not constitute a loss of its confidential or privileged
> nature. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If
> you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender and destroy all
> copies.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Marcus Fry <mfry at lyon-law.com> wrote:
>
> Buyer beware with the NWMLS forms. In my view, they have unfavorable or
> insufficient paragraphs throughout the agreement depending on who you
> represent.
>
>
>
> Marcus J. Fry
>
> Lyon, Weigand & Gustafson, P.S.
>
>
>
> *From:* wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.
> wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *atfitz at comcast.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:07 AM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> The forms you are looking for are produced by NWMLS. You should contact
> NWMLS directly. They sell to and/or share the forms with lawyers upon
> inquiry. I am not sure what their terms are but I understand they are
> quite reasonable.
>
>
>
> Thanks - Annie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Jim Doran" <jim at doranlegal.com>
> *To: *"WSBA Real Property Listserv" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> I tried that and they have everything else but not the Purchase & Sale
> Agreement form and addenda. I'll try a few realtors I work with. But it
> has got to be on the web somewhere. ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com> wrote:
>
> Look at the wsba site for lpo folks; many forms there.
>
>
>
> Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173
>
> 19909 Ballinger Way NE
>
> Shoreline, WA 98155
>
> www.hawkeslawfirm.com
>
> 206 367 5000 <(206)%20367-5000> voice
>
> 206 367 4005 <(206)%20367-4005> fax
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Doran [mailto:jim at doranlegal.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 PM
> *To:* WSBA Real Property Listserv
> *Subject:* [WSBARP] Purchase and Sale Agreement for Residential Real
> Estate
>
>
>
> Would someone be able to point me to the website where I can find and
> print a standard form Purchase& Sale Agreement, and addenda, for
> residential real estate? Or send me a few of the forms.
>
> Usually clients come in with them all filled out with problems. Now a
> client wants me to prepare it for him.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> James R. Doran
>
> Attorney at Law
>
> 100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205
>
> Bellingham, WA 98225
> (360)393-9506 <(360)%20393-9506>
>
> jim at doranlegal.com
>
> www.doranlegal.com
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:46:40 +0000
From: "Laird, Katherine" <KatherineLaird at CenturyPacificLP.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
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There are cases under which the City typically will pay for the sewer replacement, in particular if a camera survey of the sewer reveals that the roots from city-owned trees caused the damage to be repaired. I know of a few instances where the homeowner was able t to successfully argue for reimbursement based on the city tree roots argument. Possibly beyond the scope of your facts but I wanted to share this twist on the general rule.
k
Katherine Kramer Laird
CenturyPacific, LP
Suite 1680
1201 Third Avenue
Seattle, WA 98101
Ph. 206-757-8892/Mobile. 206-915-0109
Fax 206-757-7890
katherinelaird at centurypacificlp.com<mailto:katherinelaird at centurypacificlp.com>
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Mark K. Funke
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:37 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
Ron - My understanding is that in the City of Seattle the property owner is responsible up to the point where the side-sewer connects to the main even when the side-sewer line is under city property. The property adjacent to my office building had a situation where the cost of ripping up the street and fixing the side-sewer was $90K+ (major arterial; had to have flaggers and re-route Metro buses. A real mess). Property owner paid 100%? I think I heard that they tried submitting a claim to the City of Seattle but were not successful. - Mark
__
Mark K. Funke, Attorney
P.206-632-1535
mark at funkelaw.com<mailto:mark at funkelaw.com>
www.funkelaw.com<http://www.funkelaw.com>
Licensed in Oregon & Washington
On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Ron Housh <ron at housh.org<mailto:ron at housh.org>> wrote:
Side sewer line servicing private property ?breaks?. I am told the ?break? is below city owned property.
Who pays for repair: City of Seattle or property owner?
I seem to recall being told years ago that if a line breaks below the street the City pays; if the line breaks from the edge of the street to the home the owner pays.
Thanks for any feedback. Ron
I AM TYPICALLY IN THE SEATTLE OFFICE ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND IN THE MOUNT VERNON OFFICE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY
Ronald G. Housh, P.S.
Attorney at Law
Seattle Office:
1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3000
Seattle, WA 98101-2393
Phone: 206-381-1341
Fax: 206-464-0461
Email: ron at housh.org<mailto:ron at housh.org>
Mount Vernon Office:
21411 Bluejay Place
Mount Vernon, WA 98274
Phone: 206-235-2459
Email: ron at housh.org<mailto:ron at housh.org>
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:03:17 -0800
From: "Ron Housh" <ron at housh.org>
To: "'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
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Thanks Katherine
I AM TYPICALLY IN THE SEATTLE OFFICE ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND IN THE MOUNT VERNON OFFICE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY
Ronald G. Housh, P.S.
Attorney at Law
Seattle Office:
1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3000
Seattle, WA 98101-2393
Phone: 206-381-1341
Fax: 206-464-0461
Email: <mailto:ron at housh.org> ron at housh.org
Mount Vernon Office:
21411 Bluejay Place
Mount Vernon, WA 98274
Phone: 206-235-2459
Email: <mailto:ron at housh.org> ron at housh.org
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Laird, Katherine
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:47 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
There are cases under which the City typically will pay for the sewer replacement, in particular if a camera survey of the sewer reveals that the roots from city-owned trees caused the damage to be repaired. I know of a few instances where the homeowner was able t to successfully argue for reimbursement based on the city tree roots argument. Possibly beyond the scope of your facts but I wanted to share this twist on the general rule.
k
Katherine Kramer Laird
CenturyPacific, LP
Suite 1680
1201 Third Avenue
Seattle, WA 98101
Ph. 206-757-8892/Mobile. 206-915-0109
Fax 206-757-7890
katherinelaird at centurypacificlp.com
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Mark K. Funke
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:37 AM
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Sewer Repair
Ron - My understanding is that in the City of Seattle the property owner is responsible up to the point where the side-sewer connects to the main even when the side-sewer line is under city property. The property adjacent to my office building had a situation where the cost of ripping up the street and fixing the side-sewer was $90K+ (major arterial; had to have flaggers and re-route Metro buses. A real mess). Property owner paid 100%? I think I heard that they tried submitting a claim to the City of Seattle but were not successful. - Mark
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Mark K. Funke, Attorney
P.206-632-1535
mark at funkelaw.com
www.funkelaw.com
Licensed in Oregon & Washington
On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Ron Housh <ron at housh.org> wrote:
Side sewer line servicing private property ?breaks?. I am told the ?break? is below city owned property.
Who pays for repair: City of Seattle or property owner?
I seem to recall being told years ago that if a line breaks below the street the City pays; if the line breaks from the edge of the street to the home the owner pays.
Thanks for any feedback. Ron
I AM TYPICALLY IN THE SEATTLE OFFICE ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND IN THE MOUNT VERNON OFFICE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY
Ronald G. Housh, P.S.
Attorney at Law
Seattle Office:
1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3000
Seattle, WA 98101-2393
Phone: 206-381-1341
Fax: 206-464-0461
Email: <mailto:ron at housh.org> ron at housh.org
Mount Vernon Office:
21411 Bluejay Place
Mount Vernon, WA 98274
Phone: 206-235-2459
Email: <mailto:ron at housh.org> ron at housh.org
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