<div dir="auto"><div>I tend to side with the minors where I can. The adults had a chance to avoid ambiguity. </div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="color:rgb(76,118,162);font-size:x-large;font-weight:bold">Mark C. McClure<br clear="none"></span><font color="#4c76a2" size="3"><i>Managing Attorney <br clear="none"></i></font><span style="color:navy;font-size:13.5pt">Law Office of Mark McClure, PS</span><span style="color:navy"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><b> </b></span><span style="font-size:18px"><b><br clear="none"></b></span></span><i><span style="color:navy"><font size="2" style="background-color:inherit">"Why Retire With Debt?"<br clear="none"></font></span></i><span style="color:navy;font-size:13.5pt">1103 West Meeker Street, #101<br clear="none"></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:navy">Kent</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:navy">, WA 98032</span></p><div style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="color:navy">Office: 253.631.6484 <br clear="none"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,51,153)">Email: <a href="mailto:Mark@McClureLawGroup.com" target="_blank">Mark@McClureLawGroup.com</a></span></span></div><div style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b style="font-size:13px">Notice of Unavailability:</b><span style="font-size:13px"> </span><b style="font-size:13px"><font color="#ff0000"> </font></b></div><div style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:red">TBD</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:red"><br></span></b></p></div><div style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="color:navy">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:</span></b><span style="color:navy"> <span style="color:rgb(28,30,33);background-color:rgb(242,243,245)">This email contains legal stuff. If you are not the intended recipient you could get into a lot of trouble if you read it, and even more trouble if you tell someone else about it. So, the best thing to do is ignore it and forget you ever saw it. Thank you.</span> <br><br clear="none"></span></div></div></div><div><br clear="none" style="color:rgb(29,34,40);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 13, 2026, 1:15 PM Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">The tricky bit is that in a CIR, “community-like” property is not automatically divided 50-50. Instead, the probate court has to (A) identify what assets are “community-like” and then (B) make an
<i>equitable division</i> between the decedent and the surviving CIR partner. That does not require a 50-50 split, and the case law is regrettably sparse about how to even perform an equitable division between a deceased person and a survivor.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In most CIR cases the division is between two living people, and the appellate opinions suggest that the equitable factors as in a divorce should be followed. But those factors just don’t work when one person is deceased. Per
<a href="https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=26.09.080" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">RCW 26.09.080(4)</a> and case law, the court normally needs to consider the economic circumstances of each person going forward, and award of the family home depending on whether there are minor
children residing there. The equitable considerations between a decedent’s heirs’ inheritance interest and a survivor seem a lot different from that.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417+31st+Ave+South+%0D%0A+Seattle+WA+98144-3909?entry=gmail&source=g">
</a><p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Eric<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric C. Nelsen<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1417+31st+Ave+South+%0D%0A+Seattle+WA+98144-3909?entry=gmail&source=g">Seattle WA 98144-3909</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">206-625-0092<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Quick question about CIR Laws, the surviving CIR partner would normally have a ½ interest in the property acquired during the CIR relationship as if it were community property, but not a community
property interest in the whole; correct? Then wouldn’t the children have the interest in the other ½ portion of that acquired property?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I can see the adult child waiving the interest in favor of his mother, but I do not see how the 11 year old could or that a PGAL would (or should).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</a><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Or am I getting this wrong?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">I have drafted a stipulated motion and order where an attorney served as the GAL for a minor and the judge had no problem signing off on it without requiring all formal steps. Alas, that was a long time ago
and times are changing. It did cost a bit extra but, it made my client feel better. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">In my opinion, the adult child can serve as virtual rep in my opinion but I would have the TEDRA spell out that the Agreement is reached<i> in consideration of avoiding litigation</i> under Washington's CIR
laws which potentially would result in nothing to otherse.</span><u></u><u></u></p><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/200+N.+Mullan+Rd.,+Suite+203+%0D%0A+Spokane+Valley,+WA+99206?entry=gmail&source=g">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#38761d">Diane Kiepe, J.D., LL.M. Taxation</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 12, 2026 at 4:13<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM David Faber <<a href="mailto:david@faberfeinson.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">david@faberfeinson.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Client's long-term (but unmarried) partner of more than 20 years died intestate with about $300k in assets and two children, one of whom is a minor (11 years old). Decedent's mother and elder child, who is of the age of majority, is in agreement that everything
should be treated as community property of the surviving parent, but of course the 11 year old is incompent to sign a TEDRA to that effect. RCW 11.96A.120(4) is unambiguous that my client cannot act as virtual representative of the minor because of the inherent
conflict of interest, but I read section (5) as potentially allowing the elder sibling to stand as virtual representative (each child's interest is substantially identical with regard to the question of whether the surviving parent has superior claim to intestate
assets, and there is no conflict of interest as between them). Is my read correct? Is there any alternative approach you think I should consider?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd love to avoid the cumbersome process of appointing a GAL and then going through the process of arguing against the child having a beneficial claim on the deceased parent's estate if at all possible, of course.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you!<u></u><u></u></p>
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