<div dir="ltr"><div>Joshua said a lot, but there was one piece I feel compells a response, and that is...GO PADRES! We'll get 'em in games 3-5. </div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font color="#45818e" face="georgia, serif"><b>Laura Latta<br>Law Office of Laura Latta PLLC</b><u></u><u></u></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font color="#666666" face="georgia, serif">she/her</font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:13.15pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Phone (206) 841-2344</span><br></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font color="#666666" face="georgia, serif"><a href="http://www.LauraLatta.com" target="_blank">www.LauraLatta.com</a></font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:13.15pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font color="#666666" face="georgia, serif">4010 Lake Washington Blvd. NE Ste. 202</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:13.15pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font color="#666666" face="georgia, serif">Kirkland, WA 98033</font></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:13.15pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#444444">NOTICE:  This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise the sender by replying to this email and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying it or disclosing its contents to others.</font></b><br></p></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 4, 2026 at 9:04 PM Joshua McKarcher <<a href="mailto:josh@mckarcherlaw.com">josh@mckarcherlaw.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



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I second Eric that this is nothing to be crushed about but to be proud of. </div>
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I also suggest -- because I'm provocative and blunt and presently grumpy with my two children and the general state of the world -- that given the concrete admissibility of the unsworn statement requiring only two humans and barely any technically precise language
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<u>third</u> fallible human <u>AND</u> all the individual pieces of data, precise jurat language, the correct state, correct county, a stamp, ink smearing, overlooked expiration of a notary's commission, inadvertent signature mismatch (recall our earlier exchange
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I think it is objectively fair to argue that adding that third human and their "formalities baggage" INTO THE PROCESS OF PROVING A WILL is a ("preventably") unnecessary, risky, overkill mental self-deception (of the kind to which we lawyers are susceptible).
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Especially given that as of a few years ago it requires the poor notary public to journal the blasted event unless the notary is a lawyer . . . whose signature is 100% as useful in unsworn statement form as it is in the form that requires an ink stamp!</div>
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I would of course not go so far as suggesting it's malpractice to continue using three humans for a two-human process.</div>
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But whenever we can remove one human and the inevitability of human errors and fallibility from
<b><i><u>any</u></i></b> process, I will usually insist, "<b><i><u>Yes</u></i></b>, correct! It is time to rethink our decades-old practices."</div>
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Just as it is necessary to redraft decades-old documents into plain English wherever we have opportunity to do so.</div>
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Every time we do <i><u>anything</u></i> we do, it should be the best <i><u>current</u></i> version available for doing that thing. It can't and won't always be -- that's humanly impossible. But we can try. </div>
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Thus this listserv and marvelous humans like Eric and Brent and Heather and Diane and Amy and so many others who constantly contribute to our collective betterment, grumpy or otherwise. "Bravo everyone!!!"</div>
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And I'm afraid I think the same way about MOST court-based tech I hear about in our state -- other than the perfectly useful downloading of Odyssey TIFs that are easily converted to PDFs en masse. It may be humorous and absurd that they're TIFs, but I can select
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Thus -- and here I apologize in advance for my grouchy reply to "my good friend on the other side of the Odyssey-fax aisle," Mr. McClure -- I am amused that one would find it undesirable to be able to avoid all idiotic and disparate tech found outside of Asotin
 County when one can fax (or deliver, if fax headers are too painful for our beautiful probate) pleadings to the clerk directly from any email-based fax system and then download the court-stamped and sequentially numbered (charmingly in handwriting, with initials)
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Surely nobody is using actual fax machines anymore. I pay all of $4/month to Faxage, one of the million options out there that lets one "fax" by emailing 1 or more PDFs already saved to one's computer that one MUST already have saved to one's computer whether
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Emailing PDFs to <a href="mailto:1509243xxxx@faxage.com" target="_blank">1509243xxxx@faxage.com</a> (saved as a contact in my email program) is the picture of technical simplicity if not beauty. </div>
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Simplicity in all things, except my email messages. (And I'm told AI may save you all eventually from the latter . . . )</div>
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Happy week ahead, fearless lawyers of Washington!! </div>
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(And to any San Diego Padres fans out there STILL reading, well, you have my sincere sympathies for today's playoff gut punch in Wisconsin. I mean, I'm not
<b><i><u>completely</u></i></b> heartless and irascible. I'm just <i><u>frequently</u></i> so these days; see above re state of the world, etc.)</div>
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<span style="color:black"><b>Joshua McKarcher</b></span></p>
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o: </span><span style="color:currentcolor"><a href="tel:(509)%20758-3345" value="+15097583345" target="_blank">(509) 758-3345</a></span><span style="color:black"><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 02 October 2026 09:20:39<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Notarized Will required to admit to probate vs valid > Will</font>
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<p style="direction:ltr;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(6,64,12)">I do not notarize my Wills.  I do a declaration of witnesses of which I am one and my assistant is
 the other and it should be  </span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><b>SELF PROVING PURSUANT TO RCW 5.50.030, 11.20.020</b></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><b>(SELF PROVING PURSUANT TO RCW 5.50.030, 11.20.020)</b></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Each of the undersigned declares that, on the date written below and, in our presence, [CLIENT] declared this document to be their Will and signed it as the Testator. At the
</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black;line-height:16.1px">Testator</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black">’s request and in the presence of the
</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black;line-height:16.1px">Testator</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> and each other, we are signing as attesting witnesses. The
</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black;line-height:16.1px">Testator</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> appears to be over 18 years old, of sound and disposing
 mind and memory, competent in every respect to make a Will, and not under any restraint, duress, or undue influence. Each of us is over 18 years old and competent to be an attesting witness. This declaration is made at the request of [CLIENT] for the purpose
 of proving the foregoing Will.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Each of us further declares under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of Washington that the foregoing declaration is true and correct.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Signed at ​__, Washington, on____________, 2026.</span></p>
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